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avestin ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: September 18 2005 Status: Offline Points: 12625 |
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Since Blind Guardian has been approved by the prog-metal team, I will post this here (prog news).
The following is taken from their official website http://www.blind-guardian.com/. It is a message from Hansi Kürsch:
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R o V e R ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: July 13 2005 Location: India Status: Offline Points: 2747 |
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i love "Blind Guardian"
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Duncan ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: October 23 2004 Status: Offline Points: 180 |
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Looks like they decided not to take any chances with cover art this time round
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GuilhermeDrigo ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: January 10 2006 Status: Offline Points: 25 |
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Blind Guardian is great
but is it really aproved to prog metal? their albuns aren't available to review |
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"To be honest, I don't know what i'm looking for"
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21817 |
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Blind Guardian have been cleared for addition by the prog metal team, but they are also considered to be a "controversial addition". But there is a high probability that they will be added in the next few weeks.
BTW: Their most progressive album is Nightfall in Middle Earth, and they will be added mostly because of this album. Other than that, only single songs of their other albums (most importantly the epical last track of their last album) are prog, and I doubt that their next album will be progressive. Nevertheless NiME is a masterpiece of Progressive Power Metal for me, and I will fight for their addition. |
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Marc Baum ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 30 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 259 |
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GREAT, I keep my fingers crossed as well. Have all their albums and can't wait to review them...
By the way Mike, when we talk about additions, how is it with the prog metal band Communic from Norway? I just submitted informations about them, hopefully they will get added as well. Would be very happy about it. Awesome band!
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"All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste." - GENTLE GIANT
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21817 |
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Communic have also been cleared for addition - as prog-related. We'll probably wait until the team members have listened to their new album to see whether we still want to add them as prog-related.
BTW: Nevermore have been cleared as well. You can monitor our votes by bookmarking the prog metal chart: http://www.ratingfreak.com/home/progarchives/progmetalchart.xhtml Edited by MikeEnRegalia - May 22 2006 at 02:51 |
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Mandrakeroot ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Italian Prog Specialist Joined: March 01 2006 Location: San Foca, Friûl Status: Offline Points: 5851 |
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But Blind Guardians plays Speed Power Metal with Symphonic atmospheres and arrangiaments!!!
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21817 |
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^ Did you listen to Nightfall in Middle Earth?
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Paul K. ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 26 2006 Location: Russian Federation Status: Offline Points: 197 |
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Good news, although I'm not a fan of band. I didn't get it even in days of my ardent love of power-metal. But I recognize, that they're quiet unique and interesting (A Night At The Opera is something that should be heard to be believed - there so many layers on this album, truly progressive work); particulary I'm looking forward to their recording with philharmonic orchestra with Hansi at vocals (no guitars, drums!).
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21817 |
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Do you really think that A Night at the Opera is more progressive than Nightfall in Middle-Earth? BTW: If you're into Power Metal bands performing their music in a purely classical (symphony orchestra) setting without drums or guitars ... make sure you listen to Epica - The Score. |
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Marc Baum ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 30 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 259 |
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That's good news, but I was expecting to including them as progressive metal, as they are more progressive in nature as Nevermore and have mainly lengthy songs around the eight - ten minutes mark. They are even more progressive than Blind Guardian.
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"All you need to do is sit back, and acquire the taste." - GENTLE GIANT
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21817 |
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^ Nightfall in Middle Earth is more progressive than the first Communic album - I haven't heard the current release yet. Remember that we vote on an album basis, considering the bands' most progressive albums and not their entire discography.
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Marc Baum ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 30 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 259 |
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^I tell you, Communic's new album, as their debut is even more progressive than NFIM-E, which I have listened about 100 times. Simple plain, it is just a bombast power/speed metal album with prog relations. Both of Communic's albums have the same prog portions of any modern progressive metal album, which is included on this site. And by the way, why not including Metallica for ...And Justice For All as well? |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21817 |
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Why not include every metal album that features a time signature change?
![]() Seriously, it's all a bit more complicated. NFIM-E is very well constructed, contains a tremendous level of detail in the harmonies (guitar+vocals), folky/medieval elements, great concept, lots of different moods and tempos, ... definitely more than "bombast power/speed". |
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Paul K. ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: March 26 2006 Location: Russian Federation Status: Offline Points: 197 |
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Yep, I do. Although, I had a tough time digesting both albums, I still find Opera to be superior in complexity. Its awesome multilayerness is something that highlights whole album and makes it outstanding effort not only in confines of power-metal but in whole genre at all. Truth to tell, I don't like Nightfall at all. It's interesting now and then but nothing that could be described as truly unique and progressive. Just a good ol' concept power-metal album. All in all, if BG's gonna be added to PA it should be because of A Night At The Opera, IMHO. Thx for recommendations, I'm a sucker for classical music and related stuff ![]() Edited by Paul K. - May 22 2006 at 12:23 |
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Marc Baum ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 30 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 259 |
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Bombast power/speed metal WITH PROG RELATIONS (including the folky/medieval elements, the tempo changes and details etc.). It's not that complicated though. Communic's music is more extensive, progressive in nature, even it misses the folk/medival approach of Blind Guardian in their NFIM-E album. The high use of the progressive time-signatures of Communic's sound specially make it even more complex and progressive compared to BG's sound on NFIM-E. Listen to the breaks and the complicated riffage in their songs...that's progressive metal! |
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MikeEnRegalia ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21817 |
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It's one type of progressive metal, but not the only one. Time signature changes and other technical gimmicks are not a required element of prog ... although I of course agree that in prog metal they are very widely used.
Think about it: Is it really "progressive" in the true sense of the word to use complex time signatures the way that Communic do? I mean, it is a very old technique, it's been around for more than 20 years in prog metal and much much longer in other genres. I really apprecitate bands who do this in a truly artistic way (Communic manage to do it in many songs, but not all), but I have even more respect for bands that try to find other ways of being progressive. And IMO Blind Guardian found a perfect mix of stylistic elements on Nightfall in Middle-Earth. There's not a second album like it! |
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Marc Baum ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: September 30 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 259 |
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Agreed that NFIM-E is a highly original album with more use of unusual elements outide the metal genre, but does that mean it's more progressive in nature than the sound of Communic? I believe not. And that the complex time-signatures are a old, traditional elementary puzzle-pieces of the progressive sound stop it from beeing artistic? It's not only that Communic use these signatures for the hell of lacking artistic approaches. There are beautiful melodic parts with acoustic instruments and typical progressive trademark arrangements. That makes it artistic as well, only in a different direction than Guardian's on NFIM-E.
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razifa ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: June 21 2005 Location: Costa Rica Status: Offline Points: 224 |
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Blind Guardian is NOT progressive at all, but it is a spectacular band. I hope this release is better than the previous "A night at the opera" which got me a bit disappointed...
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