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Opeth ? Really ? #1 ?

They're about as Progressive as my big toenail... which is in-grown.
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^ well, since there is no Napster in Brasil ... it probably doesn't make much of a difference. Smile
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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2009 at 14:39
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:



I'll just never get any Apple product ... it's almost like slavery to me, except that people a) freely submit themselves into it and b) they even feel like they're using superior technology.Wink


OK, but the ipod is a great product: easy to use, easy to handle, with an good interface and nice playing system. I have mine for over a year and it never let me down.


I'm not saying that it's a bad product. I just think it's overpriced, and it doesn't support formats other than it's own proprietary AAC and MP3 (I guess there are ways around that, but AFAIK they're "hacks"). It's a bit different today, but when the iPod came out these limitations were a clever move to fight other download portals ... most of the others used Microsoft's DRM, which is also proprietary but at least wasn't bound to any particular hardware as much as Apple's was.

Anyways ... I'm glad that I've been using Creative hardware for many years now, because they're compatible with Napster. I wouldn't trade that flatrate for anything!


Well, here we don't have the Creative player (unfortunately) and both the ipod and the microsoft player have the exact same price. So, since i knew the wonderful microsoft interface and lack of problems, i bought an ipod, becuse it seems the best choice out of those 2 players. Besides, i also have a "cheap" 2GB generic mp4 player.
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Originally posted by CCVP CCVP wrote:

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I'll just never get any Apple product ... it's almost like slavery to me, except that people a) freely submit themselves into it and b) they even feel like they're using superior technology.Wink


OK, but the ipod is a great product: easy to use, easy to handle, with an good interface and nice playing system. I have mine for over a year and it never let me down.


I'm not saying that it's a bad product. I just think it's overpriced, and it doesn't support formats other than it's own proprietary AAC and MP3 (I guess there are ways around that, but AFAIK they're "hacks"). It's a bit different today, but when the iPod came out these limitations were a clever move to fight other download portals ... most of the others used Microsoft's DRM, which is also proprietary but at least wasn't bound to any particular hardware as much as Apple's was.

Anyways ... I'm glad that I've been using Creative hardware for many years now, because they're compatible with Napster. I wouldn't trade that flatrate for anything!
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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2009 at 14:26
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

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^ I love mp3 ... I'm not using iTunes because they use a proprietary format (AAC).


I don't care so much about that - I used to avoid iTunes* because of the DRM and the low bitrate, but both those have been done away with, so I may start shopping there a bit more.  Still, emusic and amazon will probably remain the two big sites I used for downloads.

* I mean, purchasing tracks from iTunes.  I'm in 100% agreement with Mike that the iTunes interface is horrid, especially on Windows.  Fortunately, I'm now free of it.  Tongue


I'll just never get any Apple product ... it's almost like slavery to me, except that people a) freely submit themselves into it and b) they even feel like they're using superior technology.Wink


OK, but the ipod is a great product: easy to use, easy to handle, with an good interface and nice playing system. I have mine for over a year and it never let me down.
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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ I love mp3 ... I'm not using iTunes because they use a proprietary format (AAC).


I don't care so much about that - I used to avoid iTunes* because of the DRM and the low bitrate, but both those have been done away with, so I may start shopping there a bit more.  Still, emusic and amazon will probably remain the two big sites I used for downloads.

* I mean, purchasing tracks from iTunes.  I'm in 100% agreement with Mike that the iTunes interface is horrid, especially on Windows.  Fortunately, I'm now free of it.  Tongue


I'll just never get any Apple product ... it's almost like slavery to me, except that people a) freely submit themselves into it and b) they even feel like they're using superior technology.Wink


I know how you feel.  That's why I'm running Rockbox on my 5.5G iPod.  Big smile
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Originally posted by NaturalScience NaturalScience wrote:

Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ I love mp3 ... I'm not using iTunes because they use a proprietary format (AAC).


I don't care so much about that - I used to avoid iTunes* because of the DRM and the low bitrate, but both those have been done away with, so I may start shopping there a bit more.  Still, emusic and amazon will probably remain the two big sites I used for downloads.

* I mean, purchasing tracks from iTunes.  I'm in 100% agreement with Mike that the iTunes interface is horrid, especially on Windows.  Fortunately, I'm now free of it.  Tongue


I'll just never get any Apple product ... it's almost like slavery to me, except that people a) freely submit themselves into it and b) they even feel like they're using superior technology.Wink
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^ why would I use the hideous iTunes application, when I can use Winamp instead?


because the itunes play the mp3 like in the CD, without the little pauses between the songs, like winamp and WMP do.
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Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ I love mp3 ... I'm not using iTunes because they use a proprietary format (AAC).


I don't care so much about that - I used to avoid iTunes* because of the DRM and the low bitrate, but both those have been done away with, so I may start shopping there a bit more.  Still, emusic and amazon will probably remain the two big sites I used for downloads.

* I mean, purchasing tracks from iTunes.  I'm in 100% agreement with Mike that the iTunes interface is horrid, especially on Windows.  Fortunately, I'm now free of it.  Tongue


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^ why would I use the hideous iTunes application, when I can use Winamp instead?
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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2009 at 14:17
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

^ I love mp3 ... I'm not using iTunes because they use a proprietary format (AAC).


i don't love mp3, just like 'em. But you can use itunes with mp3, you know. . . I usually rip my CDs and then add them to my playlist.
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^ I love mp3 ... I'm not using iTunes because they use a proprietary format (AAC).
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^ what if I'm not one of Steve Jobs' drones? Wink
 
Count me in that group. I abhorr MP3
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^ what if I'm not one of Steve Jobs' drones? Wink


Edited by Mr ProgFreak - January 14 2009 at 14:08
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Hit up Itunes and download "Galexia" debut album featuring Arjen A Lucassen, Damian Wilson, Marko Eskola, Joost + others, I hope it will make your prog rock list after listening. :). Officialy retail release is march 10th 09, but Itunes release was december so it counts for 08 ;)
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Points: 7971 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2009 at 13:56
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

How the hell can a person living in the United States get ahold of Ill Baccio cd and Pendragon's one? I found the latter at about 30 USD! The other one I haven't found, and I'm interested. I'm sure both (as many others in the top-10) are way better than the one that actually won...


You must be patient or pay a lot of money to get those or any new release of any kind. At least, that's how it works here . . .
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 14 2009 at 13:04
^Thanks! Smile
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

How the hell can a person living in the United States get ahold of Ill Baccio cd and Pendragon's one? I found the latter at about 30 USD! The other one I haven't found, and I'm interested. I'm sure both (as many others in the top-10) are way better than the one that actually won...


You go to this guy (Greg Walker) and order from him:
http://www.synphonic.8m.com
He has Bacio and Pure as well (though also the CD/DVD for 30$).

Also try this list of prog and music online vendors
http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp
Hanging Sounds

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How the hell can a person living in the United States get ahold of Ill Baccio cd and Pendragon's one? I found the latter at about 30 USD! The other one I haven't found, and I'm interested. I'm sure both (as many others in the top-10) are way better than the one that actually won...
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Originally posted by johnobvious johnobvious wrote:

No Magenta in the top 100.  A disgrace.Cry
 
Indeed , Metamorphosis is a very good album.
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