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Tom Ozric
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Posted: October 01 2015 at 02:50 |
Just to be completely obstinate - I vote for neither - both on par with each other......
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Moogtron III
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Posted: October 01 2015 at 02:06 |
Saperlipopette! wrote:
Moogtron III wrote:
I like the vocals with both GG and VdGG. | I agree. I guess I can understand it may take some getting used to, but to me here's two bands where the vocal parts are on the level with the rest of the music - in extremely different ways. And I have a real hard time with weak vocals dragging the rest of the music down in prog (Eloy & the seemingly endless amount of constipated-sounding rockopera vocalists from the mainland of Europe mm). |
True, not the most easy to like vocals with VdGG and GG, but it can be rewarding if you learn to appreciate them. Eloy, yes... I see what you mean. 
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Moogtron III
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Posted: October 01 2015 at 02:03 |
Svetonio wrote:
Moogtron III wrote:
I like the vocals with both GG and VdGG. |
Personally, I could imagine 70s prog without GG vocals, but without VdGG i.e. Hammill's vocals, that picture of 70s prog never could be complete. |
Nor would GG's vocals IMHO... the vocals on Acquiring The Taste for instance  There are some wonderful harmony vocals on that one. In general... GG had some harsh sounding, but also some delicate vocals.
But yes, VdGG... the vocals are extremely important in the music. True... Essential to the 1970's.
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SaltyJon
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Posted: September 30 2015 at 03:31 |
zravkapt wrote:
This should be H To HE vs Acquiring, but it's not. Between these two it's easily Hawn Pearts.
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Yep.
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akaBona
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Posted: September 29 2015 at 16:43 |
Very difficult to chose ... Well, Octopus gets my vote.
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Polymorphia
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Posted: September 29 2015 at 11:13 |
I'll have to go PH.
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Prog Sothoth
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Posted: September 29 2015 at 10:59 |
Not a major fan of Pawn Hearts, but I dig it more than Octopus.
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Olape
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Posted: September 29 2015 at 08:31 |
Two worthy finalists! I enjoy very much VDGG between 1970 and 1977 and of course Pawn Hearts, but GG is one of my top 3 bands. Although I prefer their first three albums and In a Glass House, Octopus deserves to win this.
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NutterAlert
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Posted: September 29 2015 at 07:23 |
Bloody hell. This one is close. Come on Svetonio get your, errm, buddy the Kommandant to whip in another vote for Pawn Hearts.
Might have to create Kommandant NutterAlert
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Skalla-Grim
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Posted: September 29 2015 at 06:31 |
Very hard decision, but Octopus it is.
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Saperlipopette!
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Posted: September 29 2015 at 02:31 |
Moogtron III wrote:
I like the vocals with both GG and VdGG. |
I agree. I guess I can understand it may take some getting used to, but to me here's two bands where the vocal parts are on the level with the rest of the music - in extremely different ways. And I have a real hard time with weak vocals dragging the rest of the music down in prog ( Eloy & the seemingly endless amount of constipated-sounding rockopera vocalists from the mainland of Europe mm).
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Svetonio
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Posted: September 29 2015 at 02:10 |
Moogtron III wrote:
I like the vocals with both GG and VdGG. |
Personally, I could imagine 70s prog without GG vocals, but without VdGG i.e. Hammill's vocals, that picture of 70s prog never could be complete.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: September 29 2015 at 01:54 |
I like the vocals with both GG and VdGG.
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twosteves
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 22:09 |
I like GG vocals mostly---and on Freehand for example the vocals are sublime--Hammil's vocals are the acquired taste.
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symphonicman
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 22:04 |
Gentle Giant, Octopus.
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Master James of St. George. Of the fields and the sky. He used to build castles of stone, steel, and blood. But lines get broken down.
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HackettFan
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 22:02 |
Horizons wrote:
Am i the only one who can't stand 99% of Gentle Giant's vocals? Everyone throws Hammill's name out there, i'm surprised nobody even suggests that GG are an acquired taste as well.
Voted VdGG because Pawn Hearts, for me, occupies a wonderfully unique niche in the classic prog scene. |
No, you are not the only one. GG vocals annoy the hell out of me. I'm not crazy about VdGG either. I don't like that they have no regular guitarist, and they're often too stark and minimal for me. But Hammil's voice has never bothered me, and I do like the dual saxes, so I'll give them my vote.
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Atavachron
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 21:18 |
If we were going by covers, I think we know who wins; I mean a beautiful, gallery-quality maritime painting or this
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"Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -- John F. Kennedy
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sublime220
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 21:11 |
This is too close. C'mon baby, you can win this!!
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There is no dark side in the moon, really... Matter of fact, it's all dark...
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Finnforest
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 20:10 |
Horizons wrote:
Am i the only one who can't stand 99% of Gentle Giant's vocals? Everyone throws Hammill's |
You are not the only one. However Octopus is the album where they most tone down the annoying tendencies of their vocals and most are pretty listenable. One reason it is my favorite GG album.
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t d wombat
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Location: Australia
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Posted: September 28 2015 at 19:48 |
Horizons wrote:
Am i the only one who can't stand 99% of Gentle Giant's vocals? Everyone throws Hammill's name out there, i'm surprised nobody even suggests that GG are an acquired taste as well.
Voted VdGG because Pawn Hearts, for me, occupies a wonderfully unique niche in the classic prog scene. |
No you are not all on your lonesome. I certainly used to feel a bit iffy about GG and the vocals were a major part of that. Through the course of this I've given them much more of a listen and have come to appreciate them a lot more. They will never be my favourite group but I do now enjoy the quirkiness and damn good playing while the vocals simply don't irritate me the way Hammill's yowlng does. Otoh, my VdGG/Peter Hamill collection goes back thirty forty odd years and to be honest is probably still in pristine condition cos it very rarely gets an airing. Now that is not to say that Hammill is rubbish, just that I don't in the main particularly like what I hear. There are good, even great bits here and there but not enough to counteract t'other.
Edited by t d wombat - September 28 2015 at 20:00
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