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Poll Question: Which of these albums is the best and has the best 23 minutes epic?
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27 [25.23%]
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote NutterAlert Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2019 at 09:13
Pawn Hearts.

Enjoy reading in The Book how Hugh Banton was hopeful of more commercial success after tracks like 'Killer' on H>He, and was hoping for more of the same on the next album, only for Peter Hammill to dash his hopes by presenting a sprawling 23 minute masterpiece written in an ice-cream van during a chaotic Italian Tour. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2019 at 11:07
The force was strong in 1971.

Have loved all three albums and all three tracks, and if you were just asking for favourite I'd be with VdGG in both cases -- at others times I might have been with the other choices.

I'm crap at doing best, unless it's best for me. That said, my intuition, not that one should put too much trust in one's intuition, tells me that not only is Pawn Hearts my favourite of these, but it is the truest masterpiece of these. It is also the album of these three that I would call the masterpiece of the band, so that alone gives it a significant edge. That's actually an easy choice for me despite that Pink Floyd would generally and globally be considered the most significant of these bands.

As to the tracks, this is a little harder for me, "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" is my favourite, and I think it amazing, but ultimately I think "Echoes" more significant in various ways, so it will get my vote. That said, both are really significant to the bands' oeuvres. Well, all of these tracks are in that sense, but Focus' later "Hamburger Concerto" seems more significant to me than "Eruption".    

By the way, I know that Micky derides "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers", but to me it sounds brilliant. My favourite long track by Pink Floyd, I'd call it a suite rather than an epic, is "Atom Heart Mother", and purely as my favourite, that would give "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers", which also has a suite quality, a run for the money.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Barbu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2019 at 11:39
Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

By the way, I know that Micky derides "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers", but to me it sounds brilliant.

Is that the same dude who say that everything Tull after Aqualung is boring as sh*t? With such unsophisticated claims it's hard to take what the guy is saying seriously.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2019 at 12:21
I'll take Meddle.....if I had to listen to it for ever it would be ok....Focus 2 also ,but Pawn Hearts would eventually give me a nervous breakdown.  ;)

btw...The Mickster knows his music.....simply because he doesn't drool all over VDGG, like so many here, means little in my book.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Neu!mann Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2019 at 12:22
Pawn/Pawn Hearts/Hearts
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2019 at 12:32
Originally posted by Barbu Barbu wrote:

Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

By the way, I know that Micky derides "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers", but to me it sounds brilliant.

Is that the same dude who say that everything Tull after Aqualung is boring as sh*t? With such unsophisticated claims it's hard to take what the guy is saying seriously.


I consider Micky to be an online friend, but I may have been trolling a bit. Micky is a character, but then so is Micky Mouse.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Barbu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2019 at 12:40
^ Nothing personal against him either but his tendency for bad-mouthing is pretty intense at times and perfectly wearisome. I sometimes have the impression that the guy is on a mission...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2019 at 13:44
I don't want to bad mouth Micky, I'd much rather do that to his face. :) He's a character, as I said, and he has gone through a lot it seems. I think he has a good heart, and the sh*t-kicking antics are more like schtick-kicking antics. It can be very abrasive, but we can all be abrasive.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote someone_else Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2019 at 14:17
Meddle > Focus II > Pawn Hearts

This goes for both the album and the epic.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Barbu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 01 2019 at 14:22
I usually avoid reading those highly abrasive posters but in this particular case it's just impossible to ignore him since when he's here...he's all over the f**king place!

but don't get me wrong, I do not dislike the dude, I simply deplores his tactics.

Je pense que j'ai dit ce que j'avais à dire.

Edited by Barbu - October 01 2019 at 19:14
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote iluvmarillion Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2019 at 00:53
Pawn Hearts is the best album and Meddle has the best epic. Focus II is a great album but it doesn't match the class of the other two.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote verslibre Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 02 2019 at 01:14
Meddle x2.
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Best album Hearts 
Best epic Echoes 
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Pawn Hearts
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jamesbaldwin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2020 at 19:09
Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

October 1971 saw the release of 3 albums with a 23 something minutes epic: "Meddle" by Pink Floyd, "Focus II" by Focus and "Pawn Hearts" by Van der Graaf Generator.

this is actually a double question, which is why I allow multiple votes. please answer twice, once for the first part and once for the second

VdGG for both questions.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mirakaze Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 16 2020 at 13:28
Pawn Hearts is more consistent as an album, but I think I prefer "Eruption" over "A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers" (I do like the latter, but it's probably my least favourite track on Hearts). I'm pretty sure that at this point I've extracted everything out of Meddle that I ever will, to the point where listening to it just doesn't feel worth the time anymore.

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