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Supertramp/Steely Dan Again: Try Again/Do It Again

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Poll Question: Which of these songs do you prefer?
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    Posted: July 21 2018 at 11:51
I had to smush words in the title together to make it fit.

Inspired by AFlowerKingCrimson's "Steely Dan vs Supertramp" poll, I thought that I would pit the longest song off of each of these band's studio debut albums against each other, which also happen to have similar titles.

"Try Again" off Supertramp's eponymous album from 1970:



"Do It Again" off Steely Dan's album Can't Buy A Thrill from 1972.



I dig both songs, and "Do it Again" has been a classic radio staple for ages. That said, I go for the lesser-known "Try Again" which is a favourite of mine by Supertramp. I will be interested to hear your thoughts.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Mortte Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 12:26
Danīs song is the best one in that album, but anyway prefer Supertramp again.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 12:43
Originally posted by Mortte Mortte wrote:

Danīs song is the best one in that album, but anyway prefer Supertramp again.


At least at this time, each of these is my favourite song off their respective albums. It will be interesting to me to compare the results of this poll to the one that inspired it, though I expect less interest in this topic.

Edited by Logan - July 21 2018 at 12:45
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Do It Again is memorable; Try Again is not. It was Supertramp before Supertramp figured out who they were.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 14:12
While not as catchy, I find the Supertramp song memorable, and it has a groove especially in the instrumental part that really gets to me in a great way. Maybe that it's not as memorable is not a negative for me. It's a song that I could play over and over again (like with "Moon in June" by Soft Machine, although perhaps that's more memorable). One might say that it's Supertramp before they discovered a more commercial route.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 15:08
Sitde-note: What is memorable to each of us commonly depends upon the associations we make, so a song that one person finds memorable may not be memorable to another (much the same with memorable names of people).   So much depends on our personal experiences and preferences.

By the way, not that this would be interesting to anyone but myself, but I had decided to pit Try Again against the longest song on Steely Dan’s debut before knowing what songs were on that Steely Dan album, and so it was serendipitous that the titles match each other so well. I often like to match titles when making polls, and this was pure coincidence.
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Do it Again - iconic and memorable. Try Again, less so.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Hercules Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 17:32
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Do It Again is memorable; Try Again is not. It was Supertramp before Supertramp figured out who they were.

Sums it up beautifully.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote dr wu23 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 18:05
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Do It Again is memorable; Try Again is not. It was Supertramp before Supertramp figured out who they were.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote progmatic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 18:51
Do It Again. and if I had to vote again I'd go back, Jack, and do it again.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 19:04
great song from the Dan but not even the best song from that album.

Voted one of the greatest rock solos and one of Jimmy Pages favorites...



oh the poll...

pffff...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote TCat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 19:08
"Do It Again" is a good MOR song that I love, but it gets overplayed.  "Try Again" is definitely more progressive and psychedelic at the same time, with a running time of around 11 minutes.  It is an overlooked epic, almost approaching masterpiece status, but not quite.
 
Now if I had to choose between "Aja" and "Try Again", which is actually a better match, then I would go with "Aja".


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 19:40
Micky, it seemed a good idea, especially with the parallels in title and with both being the longest off the debut albums as an accessory to that other SuperDan or SteelyTramp poll -- sorry it gets your poofy pfff. :p Perhaps I should stick to philosophical nonsense and leave it to my betters to create music polls (or if I do do music polls, perhaps I should stick to Avant Prog, Electronic, Krautrock, Zeuhl, and the like). ;)

TCat, agree that "Aja" and "Try Again" would be better matched musically. Actually, I did consider doing that, but since my first idea was to pit the longest off each debut, when I saw that the titles are practically synonymous (depending on context), I was pleased as punch. At least with both of these albums, they have similar ratings and are temporally closer. I do suspect that this would be closer battle than if I did Aja, as Aja is a high rated album, unlike the Supertramp. and I know that song is much loved.

To make it a 1977 battle, irregardless of musical qualities, perhaps I'll do an "Aja" vs. "Fool's Overture" battle. Actually, since I care about such parallelism, it would make more sense to make it the title track off Even in the Quietest Moments so that both are title tracks.

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oh I wasn't poking at your poll choices.. just the notion Do It Again was the best on the album.  

well maybe I was in my own little way.  Comparing Steely Dan to Supertramp is like comparing fellatio to castration.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote The Dark Elf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 19:58
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

great song from the Dan but not even the best song from that album.

Voted one of the greatest rock solos and one of Jimmy Pages favorites...



oh the poll...

pffff...

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Originally posted by Hercules Hercules wrote:

Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

Do It Again is memorable; Try Again is not. It was Supertramp before Supertramp figured out who they were.

Sums it up beautifully.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 20:01
yeah...  I saw that.. but posted mainly for the Skunk sighting. Next to Jack Casady.. perhaps the coolest cat to ever grace any rock band.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 20:03
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

oh I wasn't poking at your poll choices.. just the notion Do It Again was the best on the album.  

well maybe I was in my own little way.  Comparing Steely Dan to Supertramp is like comparing fellatio to castration.


Fair enough. Or a castrato fellating a Steely Dan (guess the fans here know what a Steely Dan is in Naked Lunch) -- Hodgson's vocals are too high for various people's liking. I really like the instrumental in Try Again -- if you haven't listened to it for a while, maybe you should. Anyway, time to put on some other bluesy music, going with the Allman Brothers.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote micky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 20:07
oh don't get me wrong...  I like Supertramp... but I also consider everything they did up their masterpiece, Breakfast in America, to be patchy and sort of ehhh..  much like Genesis.. too much f**king around trying to be arty, intellectual and proggy and just let out the pop genius and be done with it.  True greats like the Dan could be those, few though can be.

now put that against the best of Dan..and you'll have a tough poll...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Logan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 21 2018 at 20:21
Right, I know your feelings well on bands such as Genesis. This might sound like a stupid question, but do you feel the same way with Yes? I think they were great with their early pop (or poppy) songs, but not so good with the later ones, and I think they suffered from a certain malady called progitis. I'd also include ELP, I think they were best when doing more pop music in their early days and I tend to find the really prog stuff overblown. Genesis for me was best on The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway.

Edited by Logan - July 21 2018 at 20:22
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