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Poll Question: Japan or US? Whose got the best new stuff?
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    Posted: March 21 2008 at 10:45
Here's a selection of a dozen Japanese bands and another dozen from the US.

Europe were extremely dominant during the 70's, but these bands are probably part of the two most vibrant scenes of the last 20 years. I only choose bands I either love or atleast like to some extent. So whose got the best band among the slightly experimental of newer prog?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 10:50
Dr. Frankenstein (Germany) will win. Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 11:49
Dave Kerman  & Tatsuya Toshida

A brilliant drummer from each place. both more of less responsible for a scene or two on their own:

I'm decided I'm actually gonna honour them with an emoticon each (and maybe an own poll some other time). They sure deserve it: Clap Thumbs%20Up





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 12:30
Originally posted by Rocktopus Rocktopus wrote:


So whose got the best band among the slightly experimental of newer prog?


Hey 'topus! Where's Kenso! Best prog band on the scene, East or West!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 13:16
What a great bunch of bands.  Both have amazing scenes.  I was into the Japanese scenes before the US (particularly because of my love of Zeuhl, partially because I worked in Japan, and certain Japanese bands really picked up that ball).  Koenjihyakkei was the one that started my love affair with Japanese prog (particularly Angherr Shisppa).  Since then I got into other avant-styles from Japan.

More recently I started to deeply explore US avant rock.  U Totem's debut, in particular,   touched me...  That is a sublime album, and led to much more music.  I've listened to that so many times since I got it. I just love it.  I will vote for that band because of the significant effect it had on me, but there are a great many wonderful bands listed.  I won't say which country has the better scene, since they both have terrific bands.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 15:59
Koenjihyakkei for me, but Pochakaite Malko is very close.. 2 great albums just can't compare with 4!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 16:04
tough choice for me between The Red Masque and Acid Mothers Temple; I finally decided for The Red Masque


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 16:24

Japan is the hands down winner for me. Much as I love most of the American bands on your poll, I couldlive without them more easily than without Ruins, Korekyojin, Koenjihyakkei, Bondage Fruit and at least some Acid Mothers Temple.

I also agree that it could boil down to Yoshida Tatsuya vs Dave Kerman; I think Kerman has the edge as a drummer but in general I prefer Yoshida-san's music.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 16:44
Happy Family.. WOW!!! Truly amazing, Toscco..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 21 2008 at 17:03
I agree with syzygy that Japan wins easily. KOREKYOJIN are a band i've really taken to that aren't on the list,but of those listed BONDAGE FRUIT,KONOJIHYAKKI,POCHAKAITE MALKO and HAPPY FAMILY are my favs. Today i go with HAPPY FAMILY.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2008 at 09:55
So far:

US: 7
Japan: 6

The bands I'm craziest about right now are After Dinner and Non-Credo. Can't decide. Wish they both had more albums.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2008 at 10:31
Two fabulous scenes and those are great bands; creative, original, explorative and enjoyable.
I would add newer bands from the US such as Normal Love (part of the same Philly scene as Red Masque). They represent an interesting development in the sound of this avant-rock.
 
I would also say that Belgium has very interesting bands in this style - Xhohx being one of them. Europe is not devoid of these bands yet fortunately for us.
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 22 2008 at 13:11
The only one of those bands that I actually have is Mr. Bungle. I really enjoy it and Mike Patton's voice is.....unique........but otherwise it's an amazing band.

I don't know much/anything about the rest of the bands, so sorry I don't have the kind of input you're probably looking for.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2008 at 06:25
No problem, birdwithteth11. Hopefully you'll check out some of the others sometime and a little extra attention for these bands was my main motivation . Mr. Bungle allthough good, has obviously got the most votes because they're the poll's most videly known band. I probably should have chosen a band more equally unknown instead (like Bablicon or Cerebus Shoal...).

Btw: Good tips for a Bungle fan: try Ruins, Pochakoite Malko and Secret Chiefs 3 (+ Estradasphere if you don't already know them). Eclectic and heavy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 23 2008 at 12:35
I've only heard a few of these bands but I really like Koenjihyakkei so they get my vote. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2008 at 05:55
Japan: 11
US: 9

Its frustrating that so few know the bands in this this poll when it contains nearly half the new prog acts actually worth checking out. That's if prog's supposed to be progressive, as in trying to do something more than creating music within an established formula. (I know. A few bands here are quite formulatic within their genre, too)

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2008 at 13:23
^Tangentially moving from your comment...

Comfort food... it is common for people to prefer to traverse the known to the unknown, the familiar to the unfamiliar, that which conforms to certain expectations rather than challenges us.  It's not a progressive attitude to music, but at least when it comes to buying albums, quite understandable.  The music here is going to be generally less accessible to mainstream proggers, but man is the music rewarding.  Worth the effort.  Many look for instant gratification, and if something is different for us, it's going to take longer to enjoy, and one may never enjoy it.  I wouldn't expect others to like the music I like anymore than I would expect myself to like their music.  If I can't take Spock's Beard, why would I expect them to enjoy Boredoms?  And nothing wrong with enjoying regressive rock even if it is anathema (and contradictory) in a way to progressive music.  That said, I do think there's music here for just about every progger.  I wouldn't expect people to buy the albums without sampling first.  I'd suggest that people do searches to check bands out at myspace since there's a lot of music there to experience.

I have tended to seek out music that already conforms to my taste rather than trying to expand it.  A series of building blocks/ stepping stones leads one to the new.  But sure people like formulaic music when it conforms to formulas one already likes, and deciphering it/ understanding it is easy.. It's not just about comfort food, it's about comfort fast food.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2008 at 20:00
I don't think I will ever forget the day I came home with Boredoms - pop tatari (the parents were not overly impressed!), that disc was to be a revolutionary step in my musical tastes. While now a couple of years down the track it is not my favourite Boredoms disc it is still the one which got me hooked on the Japanese scene. Asides from all the great bands on the list my favourite is Ground Zero, a ridiculously good band, I don't think many people have been disappointed by their output. Their best album is probably Consume Red, but the record which gets the most spins out of me is Play Standards.

For me the American scene can be hit and miss, especially the multi-genre bands. There are plenty of solid (even masterpiece) albums released from this country, but I have never found an affinity towards collect bands entire discographies.

What are Faun Fables like? they are the only ones on the list which I'm not overly familiar with.   
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 24 2008 at 21:25

The examples of the Japanese scenes here makes me vote for them without hesitation, though the USA music is excellent as well, there ares some bands such as Koenjihyakkei, Le Silo or Happy Family which makes difference

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2008 at 07:24
Out of all of those, sorry to say I've only heard Mr. Bungle and they aren't putting out any new stuff.  Not that I haven't been trying other artists in the past few months that are new to me: Talisma, The Reasoning, Maserati, No Sound, Phideaux, Parallel Mind, The Pineapple Thief, Gongzilla.

My loss, no doubt, for not being up on the Japanese prog scene.  Seems like a lot of Japanese folks have always been big prog supporters.  Alas, my experience of Japanese musicians doesn't extend past Stomu Yamashta and Isao Tomita, oh and also Kodo.

So, considering all that, who from the new Japan prog scene should I check out first?


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