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King Crimson - Lizard (1970) |
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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For real though - I can't believe it's taken me this long to get into this one, guys and gals! What a prog gem in every sense of the word. I love the smoky early 70's production (you know, where you can "taste" the snare drum), to the jazz cirkus from hell themes, to the almost Zappa/Beefheart like free-jazz sections. Whatever the hell Fripp was on, it was working LOL.
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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![]() I just had an awesome post and the site deleted it when I went to reply, lmao. I'll just write my review and get it all out then!
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jammun ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() Joined: July 14 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3449 |
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The thing with Lizard is that it starts out as a typical Crimson record, i.e., the tritones that open up Cirkus. And then it goes in so many directions. At the time I never cared much for Side 2...I appreciate it more now, some 40 years on, but Happy Family and Indoor Games and that initial blast that is Cirkus are pure bliss.
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Can you tell me where we're headin'?
Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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I think it is something in between, with some mourning about their splitting-up added for good measure.
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9168 |
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are they making fun of the Beatles or paying homage, or something in between? Or is it just clever commentary
I just listened to the song and don't disdain it as much as I used to. It's very weird, but seems like a bit of a follow on from Cat Food as far as the jazzy piano, just crazier. I don't really care for the vocal melody or meter at all but it is out there, which I have more appreciation for than I used to
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BaldFriede ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: June 02 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10266 |
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I don't consider the lyrics to be vague. Don't forget they are by Pete
Sinfield, so you have to expect some odd metaphors. But the references
are obvious; Jean listed a few of them.
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dr wu23 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: August 22 2010 Location: Indiana Status: Offline Points: 20696 |
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The lyrics are a bit vague but the Beatles aspect on the cover art is well known and has been written about many times over the years.
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I find the lyrics very vague but I take your word for it.
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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keep in mind that the album was released 1970 Dec 10th in the UK (about 3 weeks later in the US) and the Beatles broke up in 1970. all 4 members also released solo albums that year; they "blew their own canoes" (this is actually a double metaphor that also refers to their drug abuse). lots of other references to the Beatles in the lyrics, like for example "each to his revolving doors" (again a double metaphor referring to their split and their album "Revolver"), "BEAT the clock", "Sergeant mirror", "barber's win" (a reference to "Penny Lane"), "silver rolls from golden rock" (referring to their Rolls-Royces and their golden records)
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This is amazing! I never noticed this! Now it can't be unseen. Thank you!
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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the Beatles even appear on the album cover, including Yoko Ono who appears as a ghost out of a bottle held by John Lennon ![]() left to right: George Harrison alias Cousin Silas, Paul McCartney alias Brother Judas, Yoko Ono as ghost out of the bottle, John Lennon alias Nasty Jonah and Ringo Starr alias Uncle Rufus Edited by BaldJean - January 11 2020 at 04:05 |
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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Dude, VdGG's Jackson puts the Crimson players to shame
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Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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I'm just not a fan of these ballad/ballad-y type songs. Every other song has a wonderful frantic energy, which resonates very strongly with me. (I realize this type of song isn't suppose to have frantic energy and I'm sure most people enjoy the slight break.) That said, I never skip it when listening to Lizard and do like it, but if it never existed I wouldn't be any worse off.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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Frenetic Zetetic ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 09 2017 Location: Now Status: Offline Points: 9233 |
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Dude yes thank you glad I'm not the only one! That's the only bad part of the entire album for me! I can't believe they let that go on as long as they did. They could have cut that like 25 seconds sooner. Minor smudge. I love every track. Happy Family is super catchy with its melody. I had no clue it was about the Beatles! Happy family one hand clap, four went by and one came back... Indoor Games might be my favorite at the moment. "Walking through the parlor in nothing but your armor." RULES! As a fusion fan I lean towards this one a bit more. The free sax, flute, etc. reminds me of all the best parts of early VDGG on HtoHE, lots of Fusion-era Zappa noises (even though this was first); I hear lots of Waka/Jawaka-esque movements in here.
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ProgMetaller2112 ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: December 08 2012 Location: Pacoima,CA,USA Status: Offline Points: 3150 |
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It's confused and doesn't know what it wants to be.
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Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.” ― George Orwell, Nineteen Eighty-Four "Ignorance and Prejudice and Fear walk Hand in Hand"- Neil Peart |
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^Well, I think it´s weakest track in Lizard, although fit very well in the end of a-side. It´s just so obvious, for example "I Talk to the Wind", "Cadence & Cascade" & "the Letters" are much more interesting melancholy songs with beautiful instrumentation. I really love "Happy Family".
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BaldJean ![]() Prog Reviewer ![]() ![]() Joined: May 28 2005 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 10387 |
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I can understand why someone does not like "Happy Family", but how can someone not love "Lady of the Dancing Water"? a wonderfully melancholy song with beautiful instrumentation
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Man With Hat ![]() Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team Joined: March 12 2005 Location: Neurotica Status: Offline Points: 166183 |
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exactly the same for me. Love the album.
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Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
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kenethlevine ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 9168 |
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my teenage self thought not of the equipment when I deliberately dragged the needle across the LP on that song. Maybe I should revisit it now? I did grow to like Indoor Games
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