Moonchild: What is going on?

Epignosis wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Epignosis wrote: The final nine minutes of "Moonchild" is a blight on an otherwise fine album. Improvisation is one thing...doing something a horde of crippled six-year-old could do is quite another. I love Moonchild, especially those nine minutes. Best part of the album. Seriously! Actually that seemingly unstructured part is indeed very well structured; the lyrics are totally reflected in that part. Example: The very end of Moonchild, where something like a melody comes up, is "the smile from a sunchild", in other words: The sun rises. Immediately before that you can hear the Moonchild play "hide and seek with the ghosts of dawn". If you take the lyrics sentence for sentence you will find that each line has a counterpart in that instrumental section. Yes, but that doesn't mean I want to subject myself to it. And I am not at all convinced that all these lovely interpretations are objectively valid (poor adverb, but I cannot think of another); in other words, I am not convinced that there was any intent on the part of King Crimson to make the nine minute improvisation a reflection of the lyrics.  I tend to think these interpretations are all drummed up to make something nonsensical make sense. Happens quite often, really.

This interpretation is not drummed up at all. I suggest you listen to the track again, and closely. You can even hear the Moonchild sing "You can't find me, you can't find me, neener neener neener" during the "hide and seek" part.

BaldFriede wrote: Epignosis wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Epignosis wrote: The final nine minutes of "Moonchild" is a blight on an otherwise fine album. Improvisation is one thing...doing something a horde of crippled six-year-old could do is quite another. I love Moonchild, especially those nine minutes. Best part of the album. Seriously! Actually that seemingly unstructured part is indeed very well structured; the lyrics are totally reflected in that part. Example: The very end of Moonchild, where something like a melody comes up, is "the smile from a sunchild", in other words: The sun rises. Immediately before that you can hear the Moonchild play "hide and seek with the ghosts of dawn". If you take the lyrics sentence for sentence you will find that each line has a counterpart in that instrumental section. Yes, but that doesn't mean I want to subject myself to it. And I am not at all convinced that all these lovely interpretations are objectively valid (poor adverb, but I cannot think of another); in other words, I am not convinced that there was any intent on the part of King Crimson to make the nine minute improvisation a reflection of the lyrics.  I tend to think these interpretations are all drummed up to make something nonsensical make sense. Happens quite often, really. This interpretation is not drummed up at all. I suggest you listen to the track again, and closely. You can even hear the Moonchild sing "You can't find me, you can't find me, neener neener neener" during the "hide and seek" part.

You missed the first sentence of my reply.  I've emphasized it for you. 

Snow Dog wrote: Aragorn224 wrote: I dunno, really. Great contribution, but at least you got a post in!

I don't know, I tend to rate stuff on it's merits, and the rest of the album is good enough that even if moonchild was the worst song in the history of the universe, the album would still get 5 stars from me. It's not like one song can ruin the others. 

BaldFriede wrote: [ This interpretation is not drummed up at all. I suggest you listen to the track again, and closely. You can even hear the Moonchild sing "You can't find me, you can't find me, neener neener neener" during the "hide and seek" part.

Snow Dog wrote: BaldFriede wrote: [ This interpretation is not drummed up at all. I suggest you listen to the track again, and closely. You can even hear the Moonchild sing "You can't find me, you can't find me, neener neener neener" during the "hide and seek" part. Ok..I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but on  my copy, I don;t have this bit. This is turning into the big Moonchild hoax.

There is a short part towards the end of the song, before it becomes melodic, where the guitar repeats a phrase that goes "dum-dadada-dadada-dadadadum, dum-dadada-dadada-dadadadum"; this is what definitely reminds me of some kind of "neener neener neener" rhyme.

Snow Dog wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Snow Dog wrote: BaldFriede wrote: [ This interpretation is not drummed up at all. I suggest you listen to the track again, and closely. You can even hear the Moonchild sing "You can't find me, you can't find me, neener neener neener" during the "hide and seek" part. Ok..I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but on  my copy, I don;t have this bit. This is turning into the big Moonchild hoax. There is a short part towards the end of the song, before it becomes melodic, where the guitar repeats a phrase that goes "dum-dadada-dadada-dadadadum, dum-dadada-dadada-dadadadum"; this is what definitely reminds me of some kind of "neener neener neener" rhyme. And the "You can't find me, you can't find me"?

I was speaking of "neener neener" rhymes in general. But since they are playing Hide and Seek, the neener-rhyme probably refers to that.

Snow Dog wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Snow Dog wrote: BaldFriede wrote: Snow Dog wrote: BaldFriede wrote: [ This interpretation is not drummed up at all. I suggest you listen to the track again, and closely. You can even hear the Moonchild sing "You can't find me, you can't find me, neener neener neener" during the "hide and seek" part. Ok..I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but on  my copy, I don;t have this bit. This is turning into the big Moonchild hoax. There is a short part towards the end of the song, before it becomes melodic, where the guitar repeats a phrase that goes "dum-dadada-dadada-dadadadum, dum-dadada-dadada-dadadadum"; this is what definitely reminds me of some kind of "neener neener neener" rhyme. And the "You can't find me, you can't find me"? I was speaking of "neener neener" rhymes in general. But since they are playing Hide and Seek, the neener-rhyme probably refers to that. This is all in your head of course and has no bearing on reality.

I don't think so. That guitar figure does sound like a mocking nursery rhyme for sure. Anyway, what I try to demonstrate is that these final nine minutes of "Moonchild" are anything but pointless noodling, as Cert1fied already pointed out. Whether one actually hears the lyrics of the song reflected in those nine minutes is up to the listener. But with a bit of imagination it certainly is possible. So while part of it may be in my head, at least some part of it is in the music too.

Epignosis wrote: ...I am not at all convinced that all these lovely interpretations are objectively valid (poor adverb, but I cannot think of another); in other words, I am not convinced that there was any intent on the part of King Crimson to make the nine minute improvisation a reflection of the lyrics.  I tend to think these interpretations are all drummed up to make something nonsensical make sense. Happens quite often, really.