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    Posted: June 16 2005 at 20:15

Originally posted by FishyMonkey FishyMonkey wrote:

I'm thinking of skipping buying the CD and just getting the DVD, KoL (great song, by the way), because apparently there's a music CD of the live performance included as well that you can play in your CD player Yes, I haven't bought either yet  -- it's one of my highest priorities. I've listened to bits and pieces of the whole album via Limewire because I like to DL a bit before buying, which I almost always do end up buying a CD. Imago looks amazing. from the rtaces I've heard. I can't wait to get it!

And yes, Gildenlow is one of the most amazing, emotional vocalists of our time.

Good idea, since the DVd has live cd on it and IMO its better.

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I'm thinking of skipping buying the CD and just getting the DVD, KoL (great song, by the way), because apparently there's a music CD of the live performance included as well that you can play in your CD player Yes, I haven't bought either yet  -- it's one of my highest priorities. I've listened to bits and pieces of the whole album via Limewire because I like to DL a bit before buying, which I almost always do end up buying a CD. Imago looks amazing. from the rtaces I've heard. I can't wait to get it!

And yes, Gildenlow is one of the most amazing, emotional vocalists of our time.
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Originally posted by FishyMonkey FishyMonkey wrote:

Blarg, PoS is overrated, they're underrated. Most people skip them just because they have the prog metal tag on them, but they're so much more.

Be scares me. The first and last tracks creeped the hell outta me when I listened to them.

Oh Man I had the same feeling when I first heard me. I just f**king love about.

About the BE live dvd/cd- I actually like the live cd better than the studio one because of the emotions of Gildenlow's voice during that live performance. Gildenlow has proven to us once again that he is one of the best vocalists of all time. He can hit those high notes and every single note but make it more emotional and intense live. BE dvd/cd is probably my favorite DVD/live cd at the moment and it even beats out Yessongs and Live at Budokan for me. BE is such a great masterpiece, I just absolutely love it.

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I got Pain of Salvation's "BE" Live DVD delivered through my door this morning. It's absolutely fan-bloody-tastic! Anyone doubting PoS's talent and originality should check it out as soon as possible. It's definitely a must-have addition to anyone's prog-metal library (and even comes packaged with a nice cd-version for use in your stereo system).
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Originally posted by goose goose wrote:

Originally posted by bamba bamba wrote:

jaja that pseudo "metal" "progressive" sound. .

and have a discussion about that its boring.

i have listen to pain of salvation and huuuggg  i dont like at all. symphonic prog its the best.

PoS is symphonic, even if it's metal

PoS is Symphonic Progressive Metal.
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Originally posted by bamba bamba wrote:

jaja that pseudo "metal" "progressive" sound. .

and have a discussion about that its boring.

i have listen to pain of salvation and huuuggg  i dont like at all. symphonic prog its the best.

PoS is symphonic, even if it's metal

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Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Yep i cant see what makes PoS so great...i mean they make ok songs and pretty standard prog metal stuff things that have been made a hundred times before.

They make oversentimental lyrics wich just gets silly, it seems they are written by a overdepressive teenage girl .

They does not seem to be original in any way, or atleast i have not heard any spinechilling moments by them. I would rate them ok but far from geniuses and they are miles away from the likes of mars volta wich can make original music sound just incredible.

As said before i can't really hear anything special about Pain of salvation and they really just sound like all the other prog metal bands ive heard before. And also they have pretty crappy guitarsound.

 

you like the mars volta but you think PoS is overrated?  WoW
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Remedy Lane has the most emo lyrics of any of their releases...as it's about "personal stuff."


Entropia deals with war, father/son relationships, and the interplay....more complicated than I have bothered to find out.

One Hour By The Concrete Lake is based on what is considered the most polluted place on earth...Lake Karachay in Russia.  The lake was so polluted with radioactivity that it was filled with concrete blocks.  The story on the album tells of how people are bound to their homes despite the fact that it may kill them.

The Perfect Element Part I deals with two individuals in a life of turmoil and how they relate to one another as well as the larger picture of what makes a person become a criminal...society or genetics.

Be...I can't describe the concept behind this fully in a few sentences.  But to try, it's about repeated patterns throughout life, human behavior, religion, God vs man, man vs machine, machine vs God, money, selfism, evolution, ...

There's nothing cliche about any of those albums.  I've yet to find anything that rivals them in the 30 years I've been around.
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Blarg, PoS is overrated, they're underrated. Most people skip them just because they have the prog metal tag on them, but they're so much more.

Be scares me. The first and last tracks creeped the hell outta me when I listened to them.
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Originally posted by Valarius Valarius wrote:

I don't mind Pain Of Salavation. Nowhere near my top spot (Dream Theater), but they're not bad.

I currently don't own any of their albums though. My mate lent me one which I really liked (can't remember which), so I will get some PoS soon.

Good, get Be if you want the most unique and brilliant concept album ever made  or The Perfect Element Part I for an emotional and thrilling atmospheric ride.

About POS being very overrated, whoever started this thread needs to DIE!!!

Jus' Kiddin'. Sorry, but Pain Of Salvation is not even rated very highly..... Before it can be overrated, it needs to recognized and rated well and they are not rated much highly at all.

 
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Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

Originally posted by projeKct dan projeKct dan wrote:

I listened to !(Forward) from the site, and I think they suck, I'm sorry.  It was a mumbled and corny sounding song.


Way to judge a band by a prologue to an early album. 

HEY GUYS YES SUCK THE BIG ONE I JUST LISTENED TO OWNER OF A LONELY HEART THIS BAND IS AWFUL WTF!?!?!?!?


Ah, sorry about that.  I did download each song on this site from PoS, but !(Forward) was the one that really offset me, it is their earliest work on the site, I understand, but I liked none of it.  Sorry for sounding shallow there.
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I don't mind Pain Of Salavation. Nowhere near my top spot (Dream Theater), but they're not bad.

I currently don't own any of their albums though. My mate lent me one which I really liked (can't remember which), so I will get some PoS soon.
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Originally posted by projeKct dan projeKct dan wrote:

I listened to !(Forward) from the site, and I think they suck, I'm sorry.  It was a mumbled and corny sounding song.


Way to judge a band by a prologue to an early album. 

HEY GUYS YES SUCK THE BIG ONE I JUST LISTENED TO OWNER OF A LONELY HEART THIS BAND IS AWFUL WTF!?!?!?!?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2005 at 17:55
I listened to !(Forward) from the site, and I think they suck, I'm sorry.  It was a mumbled and corny sounding song.
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This song that you've taken the lyrics from "A Trace of Blood", just so happens to be about a miscarriage, since you most likely didn't have any clue. Then, when it comes to their time signatures, you're completely wrong there buddy. LISTEN beneath the surface. Very difficult arrangements. DREAM THEATER are too caught up in their Berklee schooled musical syntax. Calling PAIN OF  SALVATION a DREAM THEATER wannabe is THE most unintelligeble remark I've yet to hear on this very site. DREAM THEATER's latest album, "Octavarium" is a completely bland and derivative piece of music. WAAAY TOO MUCH MUSE influence on some songs on that album. Also, the beginning of the song "Octavarium",  is derivative of PINK FLOYD. Then, just after the beginning of the song "Octavarium", DREAM THEATER really tried too hard to try and recreate the opening moments of "Supper's Ready" by GENESIS. DREAM THEATER has sounded pretty much the same since the early nineties, while PAIN OF SALVATION continue to be unpredictable, unique, original, and intelligent. PAIN OF SALVATION is a group with brains and balls, unafraid to deviate from an expected product, whereas DREAM THEATER keep failing to write their hit song for the radio. Basically, I think you're totally wrong and substanitally mental.

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I never knew your name but I will miss you just the same
I was to live for you I lost the will to live at all the day you came
It'll never be the same but I will love you just the same
You were to be the first, how wonderful
Now I will always fear to hope again

Just to paste some of the OVER-depressing lyrics.

Yep it is in no doubt a good album but its not a fantastic masterpiece because it is just standard prog metal wich is just well put together and all the standard time signatures like forexample in undertow where you got a classic dream theater time signature. I just dont hear any originality in PoS music, thats what makes it boring. Whenever i hear undertow i hear a dream theater wannabe band mixed with nickelback singing
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jaja that pseudo "metal" "progressive" sound. .

and have a discussion about that its boring.

i have listen to pain of salvation and huuuggg  i dont like at all. symphonic prog its the best.
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Originally posted by maidenrulez maidenrulez wrote:

Originally posted by Man Overboard Man Overboard wrote:

The man in my icon is actually Daniel Gildenlow of Pain Of Salvation.  

Yep i know but i said before that it looked like ronnie james dio and it still looks like him in them rainbow days...anyways ronnie james dio is like 63 years old today...strange to think of.

The 63 years old DIO sings better most metal vocalists of today and particularly far better the DT vocalist!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2005 at 15:00
I've been trying for awhile to get into PoS...but can't quite do it.....the songs always start out great...great guitar, great rythms, and I don't really have a problem with any of the lyrics......however, they always seem to break into some PAINFUL melody that doesn't do justice to Gildenlow's voice.......haven't given up  on them though.....I still like I must be missing something....
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Originally posted by juanvalverde juanvalverde wrote:

Well, if you actually understood those lyrics you would know that there is much more to what appears to be in there...      go to :  www.dtfaq.com and see for yourself what  that song is about... you may be surprised by how more complex it really is.

 

im sure he prolly understands the lyrics.  they are very transparent and easy to follow.  i personally am not a fan of those lyrics, or any on the second disc of 6DoIT.  oh well.  and just cos the theme is heavy doesnt mean the lyrics are hard to grasp.
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Originally posted by juanvalverde juanvalverde wrote:

Originally posted by hugo hugo wrote:

dude............firstly Pain of Salvation rocks.............

second...

She can't stop pacing
She never felt so alive
Her thoughts are racing
Set on overdrive

It takes a village
This she knows is true
they're expecting her
And she's got work to do

He helplessly stands by
It's meaningless to try
As he rubs his red-rimmed eyes
He says I've never seen her get this bad

Even though she seems so high
He knows that she can't fly
and when she falls out of the sky
He'll be standing by

woooooow 

I think you got dt and Pos mixed up man


 

Well, if you actually understood those lyrics you would know that there is much more to what appears to be in there...      go to :  www.dtfaq.com and see for yourself what  that song is about... you may be surprised by how more complex it really is.

Same can be said about PoS lyrics ... so you're both right.
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