Prog’s appeal to women

s1ipp3ry wrote: Women ? they are very creative and stuff however... when we look back at history most of the great inventions were thought up and designed by men and thats a fact ! Prog being very innovated I feel goes over womens heads its as if womens & mens brains are hardwired slightly different to each other. The other thing is women are more likely to be suckered in by band image (pretty boys) .. and since there arent that many prog bands with pretty boys , this is another issue in itself thats sure to segregate women. Our lack of maternal instincts is replaced with an appreciation for extreme sports and art.  Though saying this I have met the odd women that likes prog. Just like us guys being differant to each other women are also.  The situation that this topic addresses goes all the way back to our childhood , when little girls were fed the crap of meeting a handsome prince and they played with their ken & Barbie dolls while us boys were building a dodgy flying fox or Billy Cart and breaking our arms and legs, this is when the formative hardwiring is created in the brain and why we like what we do.   (just a theory)

Completely wrong. Have you ever studied anything of Sociology or
anything about Feminism?

The man overpowered and suppressed women since the beginning.
Women played the role of the "house wife" while the "man" had to go out
and make the money and do the "real" work. Today women are still
suppressed in many aspects. Women (and people in general) generally fall
victim to society. In today's case, women follow what the media says they
should follow. You have to wear a lot of makeup and keep in style, it's
important to look like celebrities... I'm not saying every woman is like
this, but the majority are. The same goes for men. Men fall victim of
wanting to look like celebrities by trying to get big (working out a lot,
steroids) and portraying their "manly" image.

I'm not going to sit here and lecture about sociological ideas but pick up
a book about women's history in society and the hundreds of years of
inferiority. That's why women might be more likely to listen to a group
because of their looks. That's what their friends are doing and that's what
the media and society wants them to do.

FragileDT wrote: s1ipp3ry wrote: Women ? they are very creative and stuff however... when we look back at history most of the great inventions were thought up and designed by men and thats a fact ! Prog being very innovated I feel goes over womens heads its as if womens & mens brains are hardwired slightly different to each other. The other thing is women are more likely to be suckered in by band image (pretty boys) .. and since there arent that many prog bands with pretty boys , this is another issue in itself thats sure to segregate women. Our lack of maternal instincts is replaced with an appreciation for extreme sports and art.  Though saying this I have met the odd women that likes prog. Just like us guys being differant to each other women are also.  The situation that this topic addresses goes all the way back to our childhood , when little girls were fed the crap of meeting a handsome prince and they played with their ken & Barbie dolls while us boys were building a dodgy flying fox or Billy Cart and breaking our arms and legs, this is when the formative hardwiring is created in the brain and why we like what we do.   (just a theory) Completely wrong. Have you ever studied anything of Sociology or anything about Feminism? The man overpowered and suppressed women since the beginning. Women played the role of the "house wife" while the "man" had to go out and make the money and do the "real" work. Today women are still suppressed in many aspects. Women (and people in general) generally fall victim to society. In today's case, women follow what the media says they should follow. You have to wear a lot of makeup and keep in style, it's important to look like celebrities... I'm not saying every woman is like this, but the majority are. The same goes for men. Men fall victim of wanting to look like celebrities by trying to get big (working out a lot, steroids) and portraying their "manly" image. I'm not going to sit here and lecture about sociological ideas but pick up a book about women's history in society and the hundreds of years of inferiority. That's why women might be more likely to listen to a group because of their looks. That's what their friends are doing and that's what the media and society wants them to do.

I understand what you are trying to say  however ... our cultured thoughts to some degree are what we want to believe , so our behavior follows what is expected to some degree , and we expect the first man to walk on the moon , we expect the first man to walk on mars someday , we expect a man to destroy the planet someday and we expect a man to find the cure for cancer  why ? because women want to ride in the back and think they have control .. they don`t  

Edited by s1ipp3ry

true dis, true dat.

FragileDT wrote: Women don't want to ride in the back. That's where women's rights comes in. Society and media influence distort the minds of most including the women.

So... everyone is shallow- I'll go along with that.

 

   Well I got 4 sisters and 3 of them like prog to some extent. But it tends to be the more accessible like Moody Blues Tull or Supertramp, some Floyd and Genesis. The really complex and elaboarte stuff seems to be a manly preserve

womem are like progressive rock .some are very complex others just boring,some very accessible some you dont get it and others just blow you away but you love it all because they are beautifull

ok guys, a woman's going to chime in here. I've been hearing the like for decades. First, it all depends on the people you know. Of all the women I hung/hang out w/, many were/are into prog - as many as guys. But I hung out w/ a certain kind of people. Interesting, intelligent, creative. I was always told "but your not a 'chick'." There are as many vapid dudes as there are chicks. It really depends on the way one's raised and exposed. E.G., my Dad was a be-bop piano player who turned me onto Miles, Monk & Coltrane when I was 11 years old. I wasn't raised with the cliche limits & 'values' most women are taught - vanity - makeup, marriage, kids; while guys are supposed to dig music, given rock-star dreams from the day they can hold a guitar. I was often discouraged by teachers/adults for my interests. I was taught art at home though, thought. Most around me were too [grew up in a University town].

 What I am trying to say is that it's NOT innate, its cultural. There are plenty of dudes who like Jackson Brown, Foreigner, Kansas, Billy Joel, etc [taught to dig corporate rock] remember... Its the way the sexes are so asymmetrically raised. What you have to note also is that most guys look for not much other than babe-ness in their women, and anyone who puts babe values 1st is bound to be vapid and tasteless.

[and to jump the gun of cliche expectations: no, I'm not ugly/sexless or a lesbian ;)] [Note: laugh here]

Cleo

Nice reply listennow and definitely not shallow...

My girlfriend likes prog. I introduced her to prog,and right now, for instance, she's pretty much getting into The Mars Volta's albums (I guess even more than me). She also likes VDGG, GG, Genesis, Tull, IQ and many other prog bands.

Antennas wrote: It's indeed hard to find ProgLoving Women, I know... but I tell you, good looking ProgLoving Men aren't that often to be found either. Most of them are of the  category!

 ... no arguments from me there ... we even have a Rogues Gallery thread with 34 pages of (mainly) prog-nerd pix to prove it !

ADMIN SPEAKING: on a more serious note people, I seem to recall that the last time we had this discussion, one or two people crossed the line with some provocative sexist remarks ... can we keep it cool, this time?

Cheers!