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shyman 
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 Posted: February 02 2006 at 05:44 |
It is true that it is quite difficult to find female proggers, but in my environment is either difficult to find male or female  .
But I agree with the fact that is something cultural. I don't think that women are not receptive to prog per se. It is simply that their education probably don't allow it. I guess it is something more complicated that you may think, as it usually happen with cultural matters.
Anyway, I'm not going to try to force a girl I like to have the same musical taste than me. I only want someone to feel confortable with and to be in love with, although having some things in common always help 
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 05:51 |
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"Fact: Women are more down to earth characters than men are"
I agree that they are far more earth-to earth than us.(that's not pejorative).
Prog is music for the mind (like classical or modal jazz also) and we agree that women have a more physical relationship to music (dance), so it's music for the body.
I think women are more down to earth cause they have the abilty to give life.
The simple fact that they have menstruations bring them back to their body while us men don't have much to care about our body, and that make us more "cerebral" in a way.
About music, there are women-musicians, (it's a sensual relationship with the instrument), but few are contemplative enough to really like listening to music as we do.
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Frasse
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 06:33 |
Most of the women answering this thread seems to put it in a social way and most men in a evolutionist way, or am I wrong?
I Think that this have to do with very complex cultural/social matters that stretch back thousands of years. At the beginning this may have been based on the biological order but since then have evolved to what it is today: too complex to be described by music lovers.
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Norbert
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 06:45 |
 shyman wrote:
It is true that it is quite difficult to find female proggers, but in my environment is either difficult to find male or female . |
Same with me.
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avestin
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 06:51 |
^^^
Likewise.
It is sometimes even hard to find myself...
Fortunately my wife loves both Metal and Prog Like me
If I ever happen to have any children, they'd better love my music, or they're out...
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matti meikäläin
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 07:39 |
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Prog is so sexy music !!!
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avestin
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 07:41 |
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 08:19 |
Sean Trane wrote:
^^^^^^
Yup, I read a lot of nonsense in this thread so far and outside Trotsky, only the women who took part in this thread made sense.
Fact: Women are more down to earth characters than men are> 
Beit linked to their reproductive abilities or not, they generally consider music (which for centuries was also the case of most men of lower classes as they only heard music when the bards/troubadours came to their villages) as linked with festivities and dancing. Therefore for women, often music is linked with dancing and seduction in order to attract a mate (which on a down to earth scale is what life is all about) and settle in a nest and reproduce.
So most women like music that is related to this kind of goal in life and will not appreciate music likely to be taking up time to get into and also disregard men who like that kind of music - partly out of fear that this kind of music is so time-consuming hobby that it leaves too few hours for the relationships. I even suspect many females gewtting into prog a bit as an investment and a manner to spend more time with their mate (and share a bit more complicity)
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! Post 3000!!! It looks like I am getting in the Geek/nerd category myself!!!
 Time to go find my sometimes proglovin girlfriend !!!
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I think there is a lot of truth in that Sean.
Women have often commented to me that prog is just boring and pointless because you cant sing along - without studying the lyrics for months beforehand - and you cant dance to it, because it stops and starts so much and often sounds like 'the record is jumping'
I've known a few women who like some prog, but it tends to be more accessable stuff like Genesis or Rush (as in the case of my ex) I think between us we worked out that there was a 'nerdy/Hobby/Collector' element to the whole prog thing that generally didn't appeal to women. Men have hobbies, because apparently they need 'to get away' every now and then. Women tend to not have that need to escape, as they are strong enough to live in the real world all or most of the time; they dont need to submerge themselves in greek mythology or Sci Fi and spend hours cataloging their CD collections. I think some women see mens need for hobbies as an avoidance strategy. Avoiding what, though? Them? I didn't say that....
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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wandererfromtx
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 08:20 |
My Wife loves Prog, although, she does call it Classic Rock.
Some of her favorite bands are Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, Zappa, and Gentle Giant.
My boys (7 & 11 years) also love Prog, I have caught both of them singing Pink Floyd songs, such as Wish You Where Here and Any Colour You Like.
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Blacksword
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 08:21 |
gdub411 wrote:
A female co-worker just today defined progressive rock as anti-social music that appeals only to people who are at least a little socially retarded.
I guess The Mars Volta-Francis the Mute and Pink Floyd's Uma Gumma were a little too much for her.
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Yeah, you should have started her off with something far more accessable. 'Plague of Lighthouse Keepers' springs to mind!
If they wont join you, you may as well throw them in the deep end!
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 08:25 |
Blacksword wrote:
gdub411 wrote:
A female co-worker just today defined progressive rock as anti-social music that appeals only to people who are at least a little socially retarded.
I guess The Mars Volta-Francis the Mute and Pink Floyd's Uma Gumma were a little too much for her.
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Yeah, you should have started her off with something far more accessable. 'Plague of Lighthouse Keepers' springs to mind!
If they wont join you, you may as well throw them in the deep end!
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I was thinking of Univers Zero's Heresie or Henry Cow's Leg End!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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JayDee
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 08:25 |
Yeah, most girls/ women are turned off by prog..
Not my fiance though!! We both love prog!!!
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 08:27 |
Sean Trane wrote:
^^^^^^
Yup, I read a lot of nonsense in this thread so far and outside Trotsky, only the women who took part in this thread made sense.
Fact: Women are more down to earth characters than men are>
Beit linked to their reproductive abilities or not, they generally consider music (which for centuries was also the case of most men of lower classes as they only heard music when the bards/troubadours came to their villages) as linked with festivities and dancing. Therefore for women, often music is linked with dancing and seduction in order to attract a mate (which on a down to earth scale is what life is all about) and settle in a nest and reproduce.
So most women like music that is related to this kind of goal in life and will not appreciate music likely to be taking up time to get into and also disregard men who like that kind of music - partly out of fear that this kind of music is so time-consuming hobby that it leaves too few hours for the relationships. I even suspect many females gewtting into prog a bit as an investment and a manner to spend more time with their mate (and share a bit more complicity)
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!! Post 3000!!! It looks like I am getting in the Geek/nerd category myself!!!
Time to go find my sometimes proglovin girlfriend !!! |
Well its an interesting theory, however .. its a put down to women saying their only appreciation for music is through lustful intentions
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 08:33 |
s1ipp3ry wrote:
Well its an interesting theory, however .. its a put down to women saying their only appreciation for music is through lustful intentions |
You dirty mind you!!
I was not refferring to their lust but their deep down nature of giving life> This is why men do these crazy things : give life to Financial empires, long stories , musical oeuvre etc...
On the other side: all this sirupy love songs are directly aimed at them , the same way pornography is aimed at men!!!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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JayDee
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 08:41 |
Sean Trane wrote:
s1ipp3ry wrote:
Well its an interesting theory, however .. its a put down to women saying their only appreciation for music is through lustful intentions |
You dirty mind you!!
I was not refferring to their lust but their deep down nature of giving life> This is why men do these crazy things : give life to Financial empires, long stories , musical oeuvre etc...
On the other side: all this sirupy love songs are directly aimed at them , the same way pornography is aimed at men!!!
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Im afraid id have to agree!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 08:44 |
Majestic_Mayhem wrote:
Sean Trane wrote:
On the other side: all this sirupy love songs are directly aimed at them , the same way pornography is aimed at men!!!
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Im afraid id have to agree!
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Why be afraid ?
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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BaldFriede
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 08:46 |
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Oh, but women do like their share of porn, they just like a different kind. It is the same as in real life: Men want porn to get down to the point immediately, women prefer all that fancy and frilly additional stuff, which men would just skip with the fast forward button when watching a porn movie.
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akin
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 08:48 |
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It is cultural. Rock in general is associated with men, other
genres like romantic pop, dance, latin rhythms are associated to women.
So a 6, 7 year old boy hears that men like rock, listening to rock is
cool and he starts listening rock, even if he doesn't enjoy it.
And so do little girls with fashion music.
Nowadays we see lots of girls wearing punk/hardcore/metal t-shirts and
listening to those things because it became fashion. It is cool to a
girl like rock and even be in a rock band(like Avril Lavigne,
Evanescence , White Stripes and Nightwish).
Psychedelic was common for women back in 60's. All those hippie girls
with flowers in their heads and multi-colored dresses. It was a
fashion. I think progressive rock never became a great fashion between
women, so I think that is the only reason to this.
I am sure about this because I have shown progressive rock to many
girls and all of them liked. Of course I didn't start with Close to the
Edge or 21th Century Schizoid Man (Van der Graaf is forbidden to start,
but for my surprise, I showed first a Tangerine Dream's song to a
distant relative and she liked!), but once they get some shorter songs,
they tend to accept the longer and most complex ones.
It is all fashion.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 09:07 |
akin wrote:
It is cultural. Rock in general is associated with men, other genres like romantic pop, dance, latin rhythms are associated to women.
So a 6, 7 year old boy hears that men like rock, listening to rock is cool and he starts listening rock, even if he doesn't enjoy it. And so do little girls with fashion music.
Nowadays we see lots of girls wearing punk/hardcore/metal t-shirts and listening to those things because it became fashion. It is cool to a girl like rock and even be in a rock band(like Avril Lavigne, Evanescence , White Stripes and Nightwish).
Psychedelic was common for women back in 60's. All those hippie girls with flowers in their heads and multi-colored dresses. It was a fashion. I think progressive rock never became a great fashion between women, so I think that is the only reason to this.
I am sure about this because I have shown progressive rock to many girls and all of them liked. Of course I didn't start with Close to the Edge or 21th Century Schizoid Man (Van der Graaf is forbidden to start, but for my surprise, I showed first a Tangerine Dream's song to a distant relative and she liked!), but once they get some shorter songs, they tend to accept the longer and most complex ones.
It is all fashion.
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You should see my nephew going crazy at AC/DC at his age. He is 30 months old!!!!! He actually loves the stuff!!!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Posted: February 02 2006 at 09:15 |
Yup I like my porn to get to the point ... I like my music to fiddle around before getting to the point
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