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Philéas 
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 Posted: October 20 2006 at 16:07 |
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Let me just point out that Peart is somewhat overrated aswell. There are better drummers.
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Sasquamo
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 16:13 |
 Philéas wrote:
Let me just point out that Peart is somewhat overrated aswell. There are better drummers. |
I think Peart is overrated a bit as well, but I also think he actually deserves it.
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Philéas
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 16:16 |
Sasquamo wrote:
I think Peart is overrated a bit as well, but I also think he actually deserves it. |
It's good to see someone on this site who agrees with me on this matter.
Edited by Philéas - October 20 2006 at 16:16
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Sasquamo
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 16:29 |
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Rush is still my favorite band and Neil Peart my favorite drummer though, the only reason I think he's a little overrated is that some people say he's the greatest drummer of all time, which just isn't true, as there are more skilled drummers in rock even (just a tiny bit better though).
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zappaholic
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 21:21 |
Bonham was certainly not the most imaginative drummer in the world, but he was a rock-steady timekeeper. He kept Zeppelin's sound anchored.
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Sasquamo
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 23:19 |
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Actually, I've been watching some Moby Dick videos, and I'm actually kind of impressed. The solo was a bit sloppy, and his speed is impressive (although he was flailing around hitting random drums to some extent, not very musical). However, I'm actually impressed with his skill. I would never know it though if all I did was listen to Led Zeppelin records, though. I wish he could have used the skill he obviously had.
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The Whistler
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 23:25 |
Bonham was good, but for whatever reason, he often sounded a bit sleepy. For a true test of his talents, I like D'yre M'aker (or wherever the 's go).
BUT...Keith Moon's better.
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OpethGuitarist
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Posted: October 20 2006 at 23:37 |
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I think its interesting just as a side note:
I'm not particularly a fan of either band, but it seems when a band like Led Zep is criticized, people almost feel personally insulted.
However when JLB's singing is criticized, the DT fans are supposed to just take it as a joke and move on.
Just interesting to see how the perceptions of the band really impact how the criticism is viewed.
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back from the dead, i will begin posting reviews again and musing through the forums
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R o V e R
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Posted: October 21 2006 at 04:58 |
this thread is not going anywhere 
Edited by R o V e R - October 22 2006 at 18:45
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 14:45 |
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Well R o V e R, for what ever reason they have not done so, and I will (as you have) continue to defend the man and his absolutely deserved legend. There was nothing sloppy or sleepy about him. Better *rock* drummers? Is the author deaf or just inexperienced?" Which drummers in straight *rock* (not Bruford, Bozzio, Peart, Portnoy, etc. etc.), other than maybe Moon, were better?
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willy
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 14:56 |
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Moby Dick is overrated. Bonzo's playing isnt. Moby Dick is generally the same thing over and over and is relatively bland. However Bonham himself was a great drummer and his abilities are not overrated. He has mad innovative grooves, and contributed the entire foundation and soul to one of the most popular rock bands ever. He contimues to be an influence to drummers everywhere.
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Atavachron
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 15:38 |
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Yes, 'Moby Dick' is a little over-hyped and not my favorite. As you point out, it was his contribution to Zep's music that was so marvelous. Bonham's brilliance was that he made the drums a true equal to the guitar and voice which, at that time, were what people tended to focus on.
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Hacketeer
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 18:25 |
I am not a fan of Zep, so, my judgement may be biased. Bonham, as a non-prog, hard rock drummer, is not in the same league as Paice, Powell, Moon (although Keith was unique - who else drummed with the singer, not the bass player?) or even Bill Ward (is he under-rated?).
Yes, it's all opinion, why, I've seen people on this forum defend utter toss like "We Can't Dance"!
Would whoever is making a tidy living from Bonzo's royalties really give a sh*t what any of us think?
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 18:37 |
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<<BUT...Keith Moon's better.>>
Now, this guy is overrated, in my opinion. Never understood what the big deal was with him. Very sloppy drummer.
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willy
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 19:16 |
E-Dub wrote:
<<BUT...Keith Moon's better.>>
Now, this guy is overrated, in my opinion. Never understood what the big deal was with him. Very sloppy drummer.
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Sloppy and a notorious lack of technique. While I enjoy a bit of his work, I dont think Moonie was all he's been cracked up to be.
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The Wizard
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 19:20 |
willy wrote:
E-Dub wrote:
<<BUT...Keith Moon's better.>>
Now, this guy is overrated, in my opinion. Never understood what the big deal was with him. Very sloppy drummer.
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Sloppy and a notorious lack of technique. While I enjoy a bit of his work, I dont think Moonie was all he's been cracked up to be.
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I love mooney. He way have been sloppy, but he was entertaining and served the song perfectly. One of my favorite drummers.
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Tony R
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 19:32 |
 Bonzo was the guy that every 70s rock drummer looked up to. You cant pick up a drum magazine without seeing his name cited as an influence in an interview..
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tardis
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 19:34 |
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Isn't Bonham that guy who drowned in his own vomit?
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Tony R
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 19:38 |
tardis wrote:
Isn't Bonham that guy who drowned in his own vomit?
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No,he choked on someone else's vomit.... 
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Posted: October 22 2006 at 19:39 |
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