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Don Quito
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Topic: System of a Down Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:08 |
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Ok! I just want to bring this into the forum and see what do you think... I was reading at some material that defines the history of progressive rock and found a quote that mentioned the band System of a Down. The passage says: "Other heavy metal bands not generally considered prog-metal, such as System of a Down, have nevertheless incorporated prog-influenced elements like bizarre shifts in time signatures and tempo in their music." (taken from the website www.wikipedia.org) On the other hand, I found something that tells more about the influences of the band, as well as the range of instruments they use in their albums: System of a Down uses a wide range of instruments, including baritone electric guitars, electric mandolins, sitars, 12-string classical guitars and many other East Asian instruments. Their main influences are most noticeably from earlier alternative rock bands, but they also draw influence from the punk rock, jazz, fusion, Armenian folk music, classic rock, blues, and industrial genres. (taken from the website www.wikipedia.org) I know System of a Down is not a progressive band. They are an Alternative Metal, Nu Metal or Power Metal band with influences from progressive rock. To get an idea, listen to their song Question! from their latest album Mezmerize and you'll see all those multi time signatures, scales and tunings with very quiet and very loud passages ocurring in the same piece. These same characteristics can be found in all their works. I definitively think they should be included as Prog Related since the term is also defined as artists unrelated to prog with common things to prog music in that it is very structured and adventurous, sometimes hard or heavy, sometimes mellow, with strong melodies and good hooks as an integral part of most of the material. Though most of these artists aren't considered progressive themselves, their relation to progressive music is not to be underestimated. Besides, they are mentioned as part of the progressive rock definition/history. What do you think about this???? |
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Arnold Layne
Forum Senior Member Joined: July 28 2005 Location: Canada Status: Offline Points: 324 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:11 | ||
i dont even really like them but i do agree with what you said |
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horza
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 31 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2530 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:11 | ||
i like them but NO sorry
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
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Man Overboard
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 07 2004 Location: Austin, TX Status: Offline Points: 3830 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:16 | ||
Give me 3 SOLID reasons why they should not be in prog-related. |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:18 | ||
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Man Overboard
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 07 2004 Location: Austin, TX Status: Offline Points: 3830 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:21 | ||
Two types of metal and a synthetic plastic? I expected better from you, Snowie.
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horza
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 31 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2530 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:24 | ||
its not for me to decide,i expressed an opinion,if you want them in you give the reasons |
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
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Man Overboard
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 07 2004 Location: Austin, TX Status: Offline Points: 3830 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:25 | ||
The original post stated why they qualify as prog-related. You
said they do not qualify for prog-related, therefore the burden of
evidence is on you.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:26 | ||
I couldn't think of any better reasons! With Prog related category,just about anything could be added I reckon. And Perspex is a real plastic! |
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Man Overboard
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 07 2004 Location: Austin, TX Status: Offline Points: 3830 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:27 | ||
I'm not entirely sure I'm happy with the prog-related catagory's
existance. After all, that is true, just about ANYTHING can be
added. With that said, I really *do* think System Of A Down
qualify; they've got a lot of proggy elements without being prog.
Their guitarist has said before that they try to pack all of the
variation of a prog song into their music, but keep the songs short.
Either way. Edited by Man Overboard |
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horza
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 31 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2530 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:29 | ||
i LOVE system of a down,lets have them in
they will fit in with peter gabriel and david gilmour,why did'nt i see that? mmmmm,the lush keyboards/synths.....yummy |
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
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Man Overboard
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 07 2004 Location: Austin, TX Status: Offline Points: 3830 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:30 | ||
Sweetie, the original poster didn't say they had "lush keyboards/synths" (although they actually DO make use of keyboards/synths, did you know that?), he said they had enough elements to qualify as prog-related. Prog-related doesn't mean msuic like Gabriel and Gilmour. |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:34 | ||
I have no objections, and if I did it wouldn't make any difference! |
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horza
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 31 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2530 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:34 | ||
Sweetie?? What a strange term to use
Anyway,System of a Down not prog in my book,if they can be shoe-horned into prog related, fine |
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
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Don Quito
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 22 2005 Location: Costa Rica Status: Offline Points: 266 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:37 | ||
Yes! I agree with you all. Now that we have that category on the archives, anything is possible. Besides, the are good. On the other hand, The Mars Volta did make it to the archives and I never imagine they could be progressive. I always related them to alternative rock. System of a Down is not plastic and they have enough elements to qualify as prog related. Think about that... |
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horza
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 31 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2530 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:39 | ||
Yes,they are good
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
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Don Quito
Forum Senior Member Joined: September 22 2005 Location: Costa Rica Status: Offline Points: 266 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:42 | ||
Yup, I noticed that their vocalist, Serj Tankian, plays keyboards too...
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horza
Prog Reviewer Joined: August 31 2005 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 2530 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:44 | ||
I knew they featured keyboards,in a thread of mine i query whether a band can be termed prog WITHOUT keyboards,i have no axe to grind re:System of a Down
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Originally posted by darkshade:
Calling Mike Portnoy a bad drummer is like calling Stephen Hawking an idiot. |
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goose
Forum Senior Member Joined: June 20 2004 Location: United Kingdom Status: Offline Points: 4097 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:45 | ||
That tour with Magma and Pink Floyd went down a treat too! I don't think prog is about fitting in with other prog bands!
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Starette
Prog Reviewer Joined: June 14 2005 Location: New Zealand Status: Offline Points: 502 |
Posted: September 25 2005 at 18:47 | ||
I agree that they're prog related but OH my GOD they SUCK!!!!!!!!!
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