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Kati
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Topic: And Then There Were Three: Genesis Posted: April 24 2015 at 02:43 |
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Tom! I love you more!!!! mhwoaaahhxx!!!! yes back to Genesis topic (four Genesis here, however within topic of Steve Hacket) This is for you, Tom Ozric This live vid at the start Gabriel reminds me of David Bowie talking and therafter Focus with papa pu pipa plupumta ... hihihi ... Another big hug to you, Genesis - Supper's Ready (Live) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M58wE8GTGp4 xxxx
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Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
Posted: April 24 2015 at 02:19 | |||
^ Kati - I you !! You know Gilmour's intentions. He is my super choice of guitarist. Many emulate, yet barely come close to his 'magic' touch, let alone compositional skill and melody.
The closest I've come is Nick Barrett (Pendragon), and Frank Bornemann (Eloy)..........close, but no cigar......... But in-keeping with this thread, ATTWT is one of the bewildering offerings from the dying 'Prog 70's' era. Given the line-up upheavals, and the actual time-line-frame, this mob produced a wonderfully Progressive album and I don't understand why so many folks dislike it ?? I am (or maybe 'was') obsessed with classic 70's Prog, but this album doesn't do the genre any dis-justice. At least we get a guitarists' solo career out of it, even an ex-vocalist - and, depending on your POV, there's also some Banks material, a fairly commercial Rutherford career, and a superstar Collins career. May not be to everyone's tastes, but admirable either way. When I view these 1978 'giants' albums ...... Genesis is excellent, Yes is very good, and ELP just skimmed by ( I do like Love Beach). Simply worship Van Der Graaf, but they're an entirely different kettle of fish. It wasn't such a huge step between Wind And Wuthering and ATTWT. |
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Kati
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Posted: April 24 2015 at 01:29 | |||
Dillenger, true what you said about Gilmour, I believe this too, he played/plays the most memorable tunes. Many bands try to emulate his guitaring however some (inc. those who readily compare other bands sounding like Floyd) tend to forget that Gilmour is not only lead breaks, he comes up with the most beautiful tunes plus when he does lead breaks after that big build up of crescendos, he equally manages to bring you gently down. Big hug to you, xxx
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richardh
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Posted: April 24 2015 at 01:11 | |||
They aren't controversial and sit perfectly well in the times they were recorded. ATTWT was 1978 and prog bands were deserting the sinking ship in their droves. Genesis at least forged ahead with something that carried some genuine weight at a time when most were just failing totally. It was only some 10 years later when Genesis made Invisible Touch that they more or less capitulated imo.
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richardh
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Posted: April 24 2015 at 01:05 | |||
Indeed.A lot of old wave proggers realised that in the end their best bet was to stick with prog . Genesis never had to learn that lesson though.
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M27Barney
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Posted: April 23 2015 at 13:03 | |||
I would have to concur - I haven't listened to any post 1977 Genesis for ten years or so...I have far more worthy music to listen to. The new Hackett is a winner - you heard it yet?
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dr wu23
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Posted: April 23 2015 at 11:22 | |||
When you are as old as I am early is relative......and that ain't an early one. And good is a relative term also. |
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verslibre
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Posted: April 23 2015 at 09:53 | |||
The album's nearly forty years old, so it's one of the "early" ones, and it's a good one.
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dr wu23
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Posted: April 23 2015 at 09:48 | |||
9 pages to discuss/analyze ATTWT....?
Just curious, but has this much time ever been spent on discussing any of the early Genesis albums... you know,,,, the good ones....? |
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Tom Ozric
Prog Reviewer Joined: September 03 2005 Location: Olympus Mons Status: Offline Points: 15916 |
Posted: April 23 2015 at 07:02 | |||
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Flight123
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Posted: April 23 2015 at 06:01 | |||
Of course, Hackett was effectively forced to quit Genesis due to Banks. If you read 'Chapter and Verse', Collins was a supporter of Hackett in the band and was the first to discover he had quit. If Hackett had stayed, I don't think 'Three' would have been radically different (apart from the title of course)...The affliction that hit all proggers at the end of the 70s caught up with Hackett with 'Cured' but he did rebound from that.
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M27Barney
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Posted: April 22 2015 at 15:45 | |||
Everyday - is progressive, Please-don't touch is progressive - Defector is progressive - a lot of Hackett's work is in keeping with his prog-roots - I find this broad sweep of the Collins money-grabbing brush (I think he would understand the pun) disturbing !!!
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richardh
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Posted: April 21 2015 at 14:17 | |||
I think Hackett would have actually been proud to have been involved in making tracks such as Keep It Dark and Abacab. What's avoided in discussing Hackett is that his symphonic prog credentials also took a dive post Acolyte. In fact everyone's did post about 1977. Hackett didn't keep such a broad sound anymore than Genesis or anyone else did. I have to admit this whole Genesis died after Hackett nonsense is a bit of wind up to me. Collins . Banks and Rutherford were not lacking talent they just followed fashion like everyone else.
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fudgenuts64
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Posted: April 21 2015 at 12:54 | |||
Tony did use a mellotron on the album. It's just so buried in the mix on the track Many Too Many I've NEVER been able to hear it myself. He claims it is there though. It's used on his first solo album very sparingly as well so it is probably there and he did use it on the 1978 tour and early 1980s dates.
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M27Barney
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Posted: April 21 2015 at 12:44 | |||
I saw Genesis in 1977 (at Earls Court) and Hackett was AWESOME!! - The floating ghostly guitar I heard on that night was probably never bettered by any I've seen since! Anyway, the facts are that those lovers of post Hackett genesis are entitled to their opinions but - lets face it you can't polish a turd! They wanted to make lots of money and of course they did - You can't make music (that out-n-out symphonic prog fans love) and make lots of money - the musical taste of mankind is far too shallow for technically brilliant, complex examples of musical genius to be appreciated by more than a small percentage of the intelligent cogniscenti!!! Sure I do like a bit of thrash metal when I want to appeal to the cave-man within - but I much prefer to let the long epics of drawn out symphonic prog - wash over me and drive the common-denominators of moron-music from my psyche!
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Blacksword
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Posted: April 21 2015 at 12:03 | |||
I think they also played Burning Rope and maybe Follow you follow me at Knebworth 78. I wasn't there but had a bootleg i the 80's. I was only 8 in 78... I don't think Banks used a mellotron on ATTWT either. Can't be certain but I thought he deliberatey dumped the tron for that album, but used a synth to get the string sounds. It was part of their 'leaving the past behind' strategy. |
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timbo
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Posted: April 21 2015 at 10:33 | |||
I have a soft spot for ATTWT.
It's the first prog album I listened to, and the first I bought, and it got me hooked on prog back in early 1980. Once hooked I quickly discovered the back catalogue, and moved onto Yes, ELP etc, also discovering neo prog with Marillion, IQ and 12th Night. I understand the opinions of those who think it marks the start of the shift into the 1980s pop band that Genesis became, and I often wonder what my opinion of it would be if I'd heard it knowing the back catalogue first. However, I still like it and still play it (apart from FYFM, but then there's at least one song on every Genesis album I don't like much, and that includes the Gabriel classics). |
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ExittheLemming
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Posted: April 21 2015 at 09:34 | |||
It certainly seems to polarise opinion about the band and serves as (blank) ammo from the nay-Sayers of their irreversible transition from Prog to Pop (as if the latter were an airborne virus that wipes out kittens). I enjoy parts of the album for what they are: extremely memorable and accomplished slices of succinctly constructed rock music that could appeal to Rock, Pop and Prog fans irrespective of their own 'brand' loyalties. Given the demographic of PA it won't be lost on some of you that 'And Then There Were Three' is their accountant's favorite album. Of all the 1st Gen Prog heavyweights, it was Genesis who were most adept at slimming down, shedding bulk, learning to fight in the clinches and the value of left/right hooks to floor their opponents. Notwithstanding the foregoing, I suspect most folks who profess to loathe the album do so principally because they believe Phil Collins would have made the perfect punch bag at the gym.
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Flight123
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Posted: April 21 2015 at 07:10 | |||
'Then' is a rather dark album. I went to see Genesis at Knebworth in 78 and if I recall, they hardly touched this album live apart from a stonking 'Motherlode' and 'The Lady Lies'. Famously, the last Genesis album on which Banks used a Mellotron.
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Dellinger
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Posted: April 20 2015 at 23:20 | |||
About The Endless River, I completley agree about the last song, indeed a shame they ended their career with a rather weak song. Still, I think the worst of the album was the one with the sax player... indeed it shows the best sax player for Floyd is Dick Parry. But, we already knew that most of the time Pink Floyd had trouble with lyrics without Waters (still, louder than words for me is a bad song not only because of it's lyrics, but the music itself is weaker than on the rest of the album). And indeed there are some wonderful guitar moments on Amused to Death and Pros and Cons (Every Strangers Eyes is indeed a wonderful song, and not only because of it's guitar playing)... but Gilmour is perhaps my favourite guitar player overall, so I would like the guitarplaying, and actually the melodies too, better on the Pink Floyd albums without Waters than on the Roger Waters solo albums. |
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