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Slartibartfast 
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 Posted: March 24 2012 at 08:34 |
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I question the need for "balance" in the first place when it comes to opinions. Objectivity is really unachievable.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 08:33 |
 colorofmoney91 wrote:
But it's an atrocity  |
No. no! Now we have the essentials of the post with all the clutter and crap cut out! Now it is a five star post while before it was dragged down to a two or three at most. There were words that ruined an otherwise perfect post!
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The T
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 08:32 |
There's a lot of one rated right in the middle too!
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 08:31 |
But it's an atrocity
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 08:18 |
That is now a very tight post without flab.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 08:14 |
dr prog wrote:
Too often I'm finding the albums here to be rated low other albums rated high.
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There, much better. 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 08:08 |
DaveyByTheSea wrote:
Fair point Snow i acknowledge that....probably filler is not the right word. I would also miss any second exorcised from "Tales" |
No...you are right. many people here have a problem with "Tales" and think it would be better as a shorter album. Even a single album has been suggested. Not for me though.
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DaveyByTheSea
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 08:00 |
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Fair point Snow i acknowledge that....probably filler is not the right word. I would also miss any second exorcised from "Tales"
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The T
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 07:56 |
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No but you have the right to remain silent.
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 07:53 |
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At the risk of offending Flower Kings fans ( of which i am one) would any of their albums exist without experimention and filler? The same could be said of Yes's "Tales from...." But I love all the work from both of these artists regardless! |
From my point of view " Tales" has no filler. To me it would be like saying that Beethoven's ninth suffers from filler.
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DaveyByTheSea
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 07:46 |
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At the risk of offending Flower Kings fans ( of which i am one) would any of their albums exist without experimention and filler? The same could be said of Yes's "Tales from...." But I love all the work from both of these artists regardless!
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progresssaurus
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 07:20 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
The original post is full of filler.
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Small-minded  The original post is EXPERIMENT !!! 
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 07:18 |
Filler = Polyfilla
And I love that stuff.
Seriously though, this is the ongoing discussion we've been having for years now, but who has any right in regards to music? If music had any inherent quality to it, then we wouldn't be the only ones listening to it. Then we'd be fighting rhinos and foxes for the killer spots at the Porcupine Tree gig.
Just like Slarti points out: Give me one man's filler and I'll give you my idea of musical bliss. I had a discussion with one guy at some point. He couldn't get his head around the fact, that I totally and utterly adore Captain Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica. Luckily so - we are all different, but sometimes I do get a bit irritated that we need to keep pointing that out. Come on! And yep - you heard it here first: the earth is round as well.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 07:16 |
Slartibartfast wrote:
I find the premise of the thread laughable but nothing ventured...
The original post is full of filler.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 07:09 |
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I find the premise of the thread laughable but nothing ventured...
The original post is full of filler.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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sleeper
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 07:02 |
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Given the imaturity I've seen in many of dr.progs posts, I find this entire thread laughable.
It all comes down to personal tastes, and no matter how much I hate certain artists who are highly rated by a majority here, or highly rate certain artisit who are either lowly rated by othes or completely ignored, it doesnt make me right and them wrong.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 06:39 |
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I like the rough edges. I like the experimental and improvised bits. I like the funny track on a serious album. I like the odd track that "ruins" an album. I do have problems with this thread. It was put in a way to insult PA proggers. If you have another site or forum that gets it right, please do share.
Edited by Slartibartfast - March 24 2012 at 06:41
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friso
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 06:20 |
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In general, reviewers base their ratings on listening experiences (positive/negative), the replay value of an album and it's place within the perceived historical context of prog (importance). The deeper rooted elements of composition and intelligence of the instrumental parts can perhaps better be judged by people who are experienced musicians themselves, but that's not what reviewing is about. Reviewing isn't just for an elite of knowledgeable persons, but it is for the general public; in this way it reflects the opinion of the general public. Next to the opinion of the general public, there's your own opinion. The latter should be more influential in choosing the music you listen to, the first can help you find new music.
And to be perfectly honest, I think the people who really embrace the eclectic/Progressive ideal are in a minority on PA. A lot of people like music in the vein of Genesis, Yes and the like and completely satisfied with the genre-name progressive rock (which doesn't necessarily imply the music is innovative or experimental).
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 05:43 |
I'm so glad we have you here to set us straight. Experimentation and improv are part of the genius of prog. Too bad you are incapable of appreciating that. We have the right balance. Whenever someone trots out the term filler, it always boils down to stuff that the person doesn't like. Give me your "perfect" album and I'll tell you what is filler to me.  Composition is overrated. Long live decomposition.!!! You want "perfect" albums? Just stick with "best" of albums.
Edited by Slartibartfast - March 24 2012 at 06:06
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progresssaurus
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 05:13 |
octopus-4 wrote:
How do you rate the non-melodic part of Pink Floyd's Echoes? Is it a filler? |
I like it. And King Crimson's Moonchild Including The Dream And The Illusion I like too. 
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