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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 11 2015 at 16:52

I just reviewed this new album by Pond, a band connected to Tame Impala, and it's fantastic. Stylistically like a walking tour of the whole neo-psych era, and always a blast.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2015 at 09:55
"Voodoo psych of Dr John"


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 10 2015 at 09:42

The Crazy World of Arthur Brown. 

Zim Zam Zim 2014.

The sixties God of Hellfire returns with one of his best Psycho-delic albums in years that's a loose concept based on the history of the earth starting from a time before the Big Bang that he refers to Zim Zam Zim. (At least that's I think that's what he's on about.) Some highlights include the following:   

After listening to the jungle percussion filled title track , you will immediately notice that Zim Zam Zim is  a collection of songs that are both adequate to Arthur Brown's own style as well as cleverly crafted in order to adapt themselves to the issues of the 21st century. 'Want To Love' opens this with a beautiful  brass section, and Brown's flawless, ageless vocals . 'Jungle Fever''s is a simple blues stomp which is enhanced by wildlife sounds that collide with eerie Tom Waits-like vocals. The second track "The Unknown" sports a hypnotic reggae vibe that sends us straight into the familiar early New Orleans Voodoo Psych of Dr. John.

'Muscle of Love' shows  again how brilliant Brown's vocals can be even at his advanced stage of his life and career and sound quite reminiscent of Captian Beefheart's lower ranges as well as an occasional old time shriek thrown in for good measure. The song itself is about the bliss and harmony the world could obtain from never ending simultaneous organisms. Album closer 'The Formless Depths of Zim Zam Zim comes as an unsettling piece of music, complete with dark, spell-like lyrics and primal, tribal sounds (more Dr. John?) that seem to come full circle with the albums opening track. 

The God of Hell Fire is still among us in all his insane, but musically well executed glory. And if you can't have fun listening to this album, then you might just might be dead.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2015 at 10:25
 
Neil Young gets his Krautrock freak on!  Trans 1982.
 
 
Trans has to be the most atypical album in the Neil Young catalogue, excluding perhaps the feedback experiment of Arc. Trans was the first of five genre albums from the 1980's which provoked a lawsuit against Young by his record label Geffen, for making uncommercial music.

Rather than being purposely oblique however, Trans was inspired by Young's difficulty communicating with his cerebral palsy affected son, as well as his new fascination with Kraftwork. Young filters his vocals through a vocoder, creating an unsettling electronic effect, and to many listeners, it is sighted as the main stumbling block to accessing Young's song on this album.

The album is sometimes compared to Kraftwerk, however it still features prominent guitars along with synth passages, which was supplied courtesy Young's newly acquired Synthclavier, to be exact. The album's biggest problem is that it comes across as a period record as  some of the electronic effects haven't aged well, and it's hard to take Young's technological themes seriously for the same reason.

Each side of the original album opens with a familiar Young style Country/Folk Rock song. Many critics feel that if Young had adhered to this past formula, then Trans would have probably rated as one of Young's most inessential 1980's releases.

The lengthy "Like An Inca" is perhaps the most quintessential Young song here as it's reminiscent past songs dealing with the plight of Native Americans that Young has touched upon previously in the songs "Cortez The Killer" and "Pocahontas".

Electronics come to the fore in the songs "We R In Control" (that uses phone tones for percussion!), and also "Sample And Hold". And Buffalo Springfield's "Mr Soul" is reinvented electronically, although it still features the same guitar riff, while "Transformer Man" holds up well as a song on 1993's Unplugged rendition.

Trans doesn't perhaps hold up as the big statement about technology and society that Young intended, but it's a good collection of tunes that are hidden By Young's infatuation with electronics and technology, and needless to say, remains completely different from anything else Young's catalogue up to this day.
 
Never particularly loved by Young's fans, it's still a brave departure for the king of both Folk and Hard Rock.
 
Strangely, this album does hold a strange fascination at times. Just don't expect to go rockin' in the free world withTrans.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 09 2015 at 10:01
Originally posted by dr wu23 dr wu23 wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

 
Also, there's no cause to argue where Psychedelic rock originated. As your new to PA, I suggest you read my past posts in this thread on Psych pioneers The 13th Floor Elevators and The Moving Sidewalks, who both originated out of Texas.
 The same holds true for The Red Crayola, Lost and Found, and Bubble Puppy, who also hailed from Texas.
 I merely inferred that the 13th Floor Elevators were influential in turning the previously Folk oriented California Bay Area bands electric by there touring the area in 1966.
 
 
That's an eye opener to me since I had always assumed it originated on the West Coast around San Fran or LA with the mixture of drugs and revolutionary ideas.
I would not have thought of Texas for obvious reasons... being such a conservative state , uh... politically.
 
 
It's always been difficult for Americans from the mid west and east coast to visualize The California Bay area as anything other than the organic birth place of West coast acid rock. It's part of the reason that I do so much exposition regarding the Texas bands that influenced and helped to convert the Bay Area bands from Folk fixtures in coffee houses into Psychedelic Rock stalwarts. (A British electric group the Beatles also had a bit an influence as well.)  Wink
 
Just for an example, Jefferson Airplane was formed by Marty Balin out of his 1963-64 SF folk group called the Town Criers. The Grateful Dead was made up of a band that were decedents of a Folk jug band called Mother McGee's Jug Champions in 1965. They briefly became The Warlocks before becoming The Dead. Amazing!
 
This is why I refer to the Texas groups stated above as Psych Rock pioneers. Something that people living across the pond have a hard time getting their minds around, as they' re even less knowledgeable about the origins of regional American rock styles than most Americans are.
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2015 at 13:45
Cool.
Will definitely look into this.
(Hope its not too much Zappa influence though)



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Do you know Syd Arthur two cds?  Very recommended. Barrett-time Floydian pop.

The best  Relics-period Floyd popsike I know is WALTER GHOUL'S LAVENDER BRIGADE. its amazing that the two guys come from - I believe - New Orleans and yet this sounds totally Brit. Carnaby-era.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2015 at 13:37
Schnauser:
Schnauser: Protein for Everyone
Protein For Everyone 2014.
 
Think that a combination of the Skylarking era XTC, early Sauscerful of Secrets Pink Floyd, classic 10cc and Frank Zappa's output spanning the ages along with witty satire, and you just might like this latest offering from Schnauser.  2014's Protein for Everyone is a loosely based concept about people selling their body parts in order to survive in a dystopian world of the future.
 
Self described as a Pop Psych group, Schnauser are clearly more than that. And it's not juts the loose concept that identifies them as a group that treads the grounds of Prog. This album contains seven near to full epic songs which features numerous melody and time changes and climaxes with the epic seventeen minute track Disposable Outcomes,  which itself climaxes with an 11/8 time freak out coda that I can only describe as an all time rush.
 
The four musicians that make up Schnauser do their art as a labor of love as all have full time jobs to support their music "habit". You've got to love dedicated Psych Pop and prog lovers like this group that is made up of three chaps plus one lass.
 
The group's leader and lead vocalist Allan Stackridge bears an uncanny vocal resemblance to Andy Partridge but that's where the similarities end. While Andy pines for love On Grass, Allen is commenting on the future of humanity and what we'll do to survive. And he sees few limits. Whew! 
 
 
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2015 at 13:04
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

The post that you pompously commented on is called a satire. I will spell it for you so that you can look up it's meaning and actually improve yourself. Ready? S-A-T-I-R-E.
 
Done. That should keep you busy for a few weeks. Cheers.


Sometimes satire is hard to detect on the net. (Wot without the visual  adjunct grimace to go along with it.Wink)

Still: "DSotM is listed in PA under the Psychedelic/Space Rock genre."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2015 at 12:47
Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha KingCrInuYasha wrote:

Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Why early American Prog sounds like this:
...
 
Taking the advice of both their manager/producer and a top record executive, The Vanilla Fudge made one the most bizarre outré albums of the late 1960s. Combining studio improvisation, sound collages, excepts of classical music, and short reworkings of Beatles songs into free form whole, all of this was interspersed with snippets of historical sound excerpts such as speeches by JFK and Hitler. The result of all this effort was the album The Beat Goes On.
The Beat Goes On
Vanilla Fudge: The Beat Goes On. As far out as you could get in 1968.
Trashed by both critics and fans, it remains a black mark on the otherwise stellar work produced by Vanilla Fudge after the release of this debacle.
 
...
 
 

I found that record at my local record store for five bucks. The second side is a pretentious attempt to imitate Frank Zappa, while a good chunk the first side is a silly, yet harmless, Disney-esque attempt to document the history of Western Music from Mozart to the Beatles. I think the first side had potential and had it been a bit more polished, it would have been one of their best pieces.
I not a personal hater of The Beat Goes On as I, like you, feel that's it's execution was clumsy and not well thought out. (Most of the bands' music and studio chatter was adlibbed on the spot.) I was merely reporting it's overall reception by a wide majority critics and fans at the time of it's release. Jon Anderson in particular actually likes many aspects of the album. But he never states that he likes all of it either. LOL
 
I almost forgot to add that the Zappa imitation is most telling and is another reason early American Prog sounds like this:
Aside from Zappa's direct influence on this particular album by Capt. Beefheart, the Zappa "sound" left an influence on groups like the The Red Crayola and the previously mentioned Vanilla Fudge.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2015 at 12:42
Originally posted by jacksiedanny jacksiedanny wrote:

Oh dearie, dearie me!


Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Was the greatest Psychedelic album ever made hijacked by the Prog?
 
 

DSotM is listed in PA under the Psychedelic/Space Rock genre. What's strange to me as how few reviewers actually refer to the album as Psychedelic. (Kudos to those who did.) A masterpiece of Progressive Rock seems to be the catch phrase even as the Pysch effects mentioned above are clearly stated and remarked upon. Particularly the VCS3 effects for the song On The Run.
 



Stevie, now I have heard everything.

True, pidgeonholing music is the domain of fools and habitues of  music chat forums, but I cannot let this one pass.

My good man, no doubt you have  consummate good musical taste, but that does not obviate the sheer preposterousness of your claim here.
For one to believe  DSOM as being in any way psychedelic  speaks of one not in full possession of one's clear faculties.
I entreat you to shake off this mental fever and wish you every prospect of speedy recovery.


DSOM is neither spacerock nor psychedelic.


(Now, HAD you said something like "Careful With That Axe ,Eugene"  was psychedelic, well....)
Do you think that the PA admin does not know who you are? You keep resurfacing with a new identity about every 6 months. I don't believe you'll be around much longer, at least in this guise, so I'll give something that you can learn from for a change.
 
The post that you pompously commented on is called a satire. I will spell it for you so that you can look up it's meaning and actually improve yourself. Ready? S-A-T-I-R-E.
 
Done. That should keep you busy for a few weeks. Cheers.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2015 at 10:21
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

 
Also, there's no cause to argue where Psychedelic rock originated. As your new to PA, I suggest you read my past posts in this thread on Psych pioneers The 13th Floor Elevators and The Moving Sidewalks, who both originated out of Texas.
 The same holds true for The Red Crayola, Lost and Found, and Bubble Puppy, who also hailed from Texas.
 I merely inferred that the 13th Floor Elevators were influential in turning the previously Folk oriented California Bay Area bands electric by there touring the area in 1966.
 
 
That's an eye opener to me since I had always assumed it originated on the West Coast around San Fran or LA with the mixture of drugs and revolutionary ideas.
I would not have thought of Texas for obvious reasons... being such a conservative state , uh... politically. Wink
But then I was obviously mistaken.
Regarding psych, space rock , prog...it's the same argument (and over analysis..?)  all over the place once again. These things are very subjective in how one interprets some albums and band styles.
DSOTM is an example of this in that I never thought of it as psych or prog or space rock
when I bought it and we played it on our turntables in the dorm at college. It was Pink Floyd.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2015 at 10:08
Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

However, listen to Floyd's "Echoes" (a prime example of psychedelic space-rock) and you are transported to a bizarre and awesome Paleozoic ocean both through sound and lyrical suggestion (with the wet "ping" at the beginning setting the stage) -- the length of the song taking one through prehistoric seascapes
 


I agree.

And the key word here is "suggestion" - I mean, the meaning is murky, no?
..........
For myself Floyd were at their psychedelic peak with Ummagumma, especially the live side which is  good old rambles and improv.

What few lyrics there are are Mallarme-esque - which is to say, less to do with meaning than with sound; how it flows melliflously off the lips.

I mean...how does the line go?(Astrominie Dominie): "Lime and limpid ..."  What's it MEAN exactly? Do I even care? No - I'm tripping!




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2015 at 10:02
I would call you a hypocrite, but considering that I've probably been guilty of preaching at some point in my life, such a claim would be rendered null and void. I guess it's human nature.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2015 at 09:56
Sure do.

Im known as The Deacon on another forum.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2015 at 09:52
Also, for a guy who hates it when people preach to others, jacksiedanny sure likes preaching.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2015 at 09:43
Originally posted by jacksiedanny jacksiedanny wrote:

Now technique-wise what IS important in mimicking a hallucinogenic experience is MOVEMENT OF SOUND because it is very important to stress DISORIENTATION. (Muffling, distorting of sound ,as well). Granted Parsons is  good at this panning etc.

BUT, equally important in this context is acheiving disorientation through COMPOSITION - specifically altering focus by quirky, ever-changing composition, surges, lurches, textural changes...break apart (and possible reforming) of conventional structure.
Now, what is it we have with DSOM? A straight rocker -"Money" Two main pieces , "Breathe" and that track that follows "Money" (I forget the title now) that are gentle, light pop - nigh ballads. Such do nowise constitute psych, so nix a major part of the lp on this alone.

The other point - verbose lps do not make psych. Psych has little message. Put message in it and you have clear  cerebral thought -which tripping is not about. Moreso Waters is at his usual here , PROSELYTIZING/PREACHING; telling us what to think - a definite no-no in freeform, self-unravelling-mind world of psych.

Speaking of freeform - compositionally-speaking, what is very important in suggesting  expanding consciousness via music, is EXTENDED improvisation of which DSOM has basically none outside of the mind-floating-suggesting "Great Gig In The Sky" (which is not near enough for this purpose.) This is why jams and long electronic Schultzian-like things are conductive to psychedelic experience.

DSOM is carefully/highly CONSTRUCTED  music, gentle vocal harmonies anorl- the antithesis of real psych (and I'm talking real psych - not Hollywood like Strawberry Alarmclock etc popsike.)
 
I agree that DSotM is not necessarily psychedelic; in fact, Floyd was leaving that realm altogether for more structured themes. Still, there are vestiges of psychedelia remaining in the album, and it is advantageous from a tripper's perspective to listen along to Waters' reveries, and it does take you a certain mind-altering place.
 
You see, I disagree with your limited (and limiting) concept that psychedelia is merely freeform and chaotic, devoid of message, lyrical comment or "cerebral thought". To this I say nonsense. It really depends on where it is (or in this case, was) you are going with the trip. Painting a verbal picture and taking the listener to a certain place or time is a key aspect to some of the best psychedelic compositions. The thought that listening to "sounds of animals in torment" is a great way to trip is not my idea of a place mentally to be on a trip (having been there). Most folks where I come from didn't want nightmares on a trip; actually, forest solitude and a bit of musical accompaniment as an accelerator worked quite well. Wink
 
However, listen to Floyd's "Echoes" (a prime example of psychedelic space-rock) and you are transported to a bizarre and awesome Paleozoic ocean both through sound and lyrical suggestion (with the wet "ping" at the beginning setting the stage) -- the length of the song taking one through prehistoric seascapes and then the serendipitous return via lyrics mark a great psych composition. I suppose a few of The Doors' longer compositions would better fit into your idea of a chaotic trip, but the lyrics are still very strong and cerebrally engaging and/or disturbing ("You'll be dead in hell before I'm born" or "The only solution, isn't it amazing?" are stereotypical utterances of any number of trippers). Even the suite of songs that ends The Moody Blues' On the Threshold of a Dream ("Are You Sitting Comfortably", "The Dream", "Have You Heard") is a superb example of painting lyrical pictures and setting the stage for a trip (even though, I will admit, the song cycle is not necessarily psych in the strictest sense).
 
It all depends, I suppose, on where you plan on going, and whether you want a "Psychotic Reaction". Dead
It seems you are more interested in categorizing psych into a very small record bin where only a few bands can put their albums (double albums, preferably, so as to separate the seeds).
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 08 2015 at 08:30
Sound effects are mere technique that could be used to evolk psychedelic  experience. In DSOM you are basically talking the  short VCS3 segment and the short intro  which IS dark & psychedelic in my opinion (BUT immediately goes into LAID BACK.)

To  mimick a psychedelic (LSD) experience, sound  manipulation/ studio tricks are much more important.
To give an example: in Sergeant Pepper "Good Morning" is chock full of animal sound effects. Too bad its not psychedelic in the least - its the opposite: rather humerous. (Now if it were the sounds of animals in torment, like in a certain  Jugoslavian lp, then maybe...) Now take "A Day In The Life". That IS powerful  sound manipulation (and the ever-upward pitch is very suggestive of a trip high.)


Now technique-wise what IS important in mimicking a hallucinogenic experience is MOVEMENT OF SOUND because it is very important to stress DISORIENTATION. (Muffling, distorting of sound ,as well). Granted Parsons is  good at this panning etc.
BUT, equally important in this context is acheiving disorientation through COMPOSITION - specifically altering focus by quirky, ever-changing composition, surges, lurches, textural changes...break apart (and possible reforming) of conventional structure.
Now, what is it we have with DSOM? A straight rocker -"Money" Two main pieces , "Breathe" and that track that follows "Money" (I forget the title now) that are gentle, light pop - nigh ballads. Such do nowise constitute psych, so nix a major part of the lp on this alone.

The other point - verbose lps do not make psych. Psych has little message. Put message in it and you have clear  cerebral thought -which tripping is not about. Moreso Waters is at his usual here , PROSELYTIZING/PREACHING; telling us what to think - a definite no-no in freeform, self-unravelling-mind world of psych.

Speaking of freeform - compositionally-speaking, what is very important in suggesting  expanding consciousness via music, is EXTENDED improvisation of which DSOM has basically none outside of the mind-floating-suggesting "Great Gig In The Sky" (which is not near enough for this purpose.) This is why jams and long electronic Schultzian-like things are conductive to psychedelic experience.

DSOM is carefully/highly CONSTRUCTED  music, gentle vocal harmonies anorl- the antithesis of real psych (and I'm talking real psych - not Hollywood like Strawberry Alarmclock etc popsike.)




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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2015 at 22:13
Originally posted by KingCrInuYasha KingCrInuYasha wrote:

Originally posted by jacksiedanny jacksiedanny wrote:


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DSOM is neither spacerock nor psychedelic.


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Three words: "On The Run"

Two more words: Cowboy Bebop

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2015 at 21:37
Originally posted by jacksiedanny jacksiedanny wrote:


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DSOM is neither spacerock nor psychedelic.


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Three words: "On The Run"

Two more words: Cowboy Bebop
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: February 07 2015 at 20:34
Oh dearie, dearie me!


Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

Was the greatest Psychedelic album ever made hijacked by the Prog?
 
 

DSotM is listed in PA under the Psychedelic/Space Rock genre. What's strange to me as how few reviewers actually refer to the album as Psychedelic. (Kudos to those who did.) A masterpiece of Progressive Rock seems to be the catch phrase even as the Pysch effects mentioned above are clearly stated and remarked upon. Particularly the VCS3 effects for the song On The Run.
 



Stevie, now I have heard everything.

True, pidgeonholing music is the domain of fools and habitues of  music chat forums, but I cannot let this one pass.

My good man, no doubt you have  consummate good musical taste, but that does not obviate the sheer preposterousness of your claim here.
For one to believe  DSOM as being in any way psychedelic  speaks of one not in full possession of one's clear faculties.
I entreat you to shake off this mental fever and wish you every prospect of speedy recovery.


DSOM is neither spacerock nor psychedelic.


(Now, HAD you said something like "Careful With That Axe ,Eugene"  was psychedelic, well....)
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