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rogerthat 
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 Posted: March 24 2012 at 04:57 |
 octopus-4 wrote:
How do you rate the non-melodic part of Pink Floyd's Echoes? Is it a filler?
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octopus-4
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 04:56 |
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How do you rate the non-melodic part of Pink Floyd's Echoes? Is it a filler?
Edited by octopus-4 - March 24 2012 at 04:56
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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progresssaurus
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 04:54 |
dr prog wrote:
Experimenting is ok, but when it's long passages of non melodic music, I believe this is filler and proof the band lacks strong composition to fill an album. |
I have similar misgiving in some sporadic causes, but I cannot to say, that it is generally or frequently. Everybody feels single records individually and it is good, by my meaning. Normalization rating by similar mechanical criterion is way to the hell.
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irrelevant
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 04:35 |
Good composition is quite subjective I guess. I also guess you're using Larks' Tongues in Aspic as a main reference point behind your post (I remember you being confused about the praise it gets). But didn't you say you listened to that album in your car? I really don't think that's a good place to listen to that album considering the hugely varied dynamics in tracks. You need no (or almost no) background noise to listen to Larks' properly IMO. Maybe then, you'll change your mind once you can hear it properly, or not. (BTW I don't think the album is perfect as I do think it has its slight flaws).
Anyway, I mostly agree with you that good composition always comes out on top, and yes some prog can be grating and seem badly composed, but some just need time and several listens. Different people will prefer different composition styles, I mean are any Behold... The Arctopus pieces well composed? (Sorry, this is after 1983). I think some are, but it helps looking at the full piece as well, and what may seem "least composed" may be the exact opposite. Whether it resonates well with you is the important thing.
This rant probably makes no sense, and probably the reason I don't do it often. 
Edited by irrelevant - March 24 2012 at 04:46
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octopus-4
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 04:14 |
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In science an experiment is made to confirm a hypothesis or to find a new law of nature. In music it's needed to progress. Without experiments in music we would still be beating branches on trees.
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I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution
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Triceratopsoil
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 03:15 |
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He sure isn't very progressive for somebody that calls himself dr prog.
Good thing glorifiedpopmusicarchives.com is going to be Max's next site.
Edited by Triceratopsoil - March 24 2012 at 03:19
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 03:15 |
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Well yes, it is weird for you to consider J-Tull.com a 5 star album, but if you think non-melodic music and improvisation is filler then you have a different perspective, which has nothing to do with "maturity". There is no such thing as the right prog balance.
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Pekka
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 03:15 |
Got some examples?
I rarely rate or review albums here, but for me composition, experimentalism and improvisation are on the same line and all that matters is how much enjoyment I get out of listening to it.
dr prog wrote:
It's time we all matured and gave the right albums the high ratings in here 
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Smiley or not, I'm sure some people may not like the "I'm right and I know what is good music, and you all are wrong" mentality.
Edited by Pekka - March 24 2012 at 03:18
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rogerthat
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 03:14 |
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Schoenberg is not a composer, then?
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dr prog
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Posted: March 24 2012 at 03:06 |
Too often I'm finding the best composed albums here to be rated low and the least well composed albums rated high. Most of us like the same bands of the era between the late 60s and early 80s but do prog listeners continually choose the most experimental/least composed stuff over the most well composed? I've always believed the best music came from the best composers and the more great compositions you can put in an album the better. Experimenting is ok, but when it's long passages of non melodic music, I believe this is filler and proof the band lacks strong composition to fill an album. Experimenting and Improvising should be saved for concerts. Albums should be packed with genius  . Do proggers listen to band catalogues extensively? Do they give all albums enough spins or do they buy so many albums from different bands than they don't get time to enjoy albums over many listens? I'm finding several albums by bands that rate low here to be close to the best albums. Full of quality compositions. Quality compositions will always come out on top. I'm past that overdone prog and fusion which tries to get over complex. Just sounds a bit of a mess. Or you get the amatuer composers who rely on technicality and experimenting. That doesn't go far with me either. It's time we all matured and gave the right albums the high ratings in here 
Edited by dr prog - March 24 2012 at 03:13
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