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Posted: March 30 2007 at 12:36

Post-Rock would be a better choice.

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Posted: March 30 2007 at 12:35

^ ok, if you want to avoid coined phrases I'd describe these bands as "experimental minimalistic metal". Even a word like "Sludge" shuold be avoided as it doesn't tell you much about how it sounds unless you already know most of the bands.

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Posted: March 30 2007 at 12:08

don't get all defensive Mikey, I've seen you do this before ;P besides Trickster said this wasn't about seperating dream theater from post-metal so I didn't mention any orthodox prog names on purpose. I see that you are ignoring the intentions of the thread :P

i'm a doom metal fan so I know a little about my sludge. what I mean is that their metal influence is of tertiary importance to their sound. all the bands listed have very chromatic hardcore riffing and hardly your standard drumming patterns or vocal delivery. bonus points for refuting this without referring to a categorization invented by a journalist for god knows what reason.

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Posted: March 30 2007 at 12:07

"Post" means that it developed beyond the boundaries of the genre, but is still influenced by it. It's exactly the previous albums which make the connection so obvious, Ivan.

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Posted: March 30 2007 at 12:05

Last two Isis albums, also Neurosis's and Pelican's new direction make me question their relation to the metal genre, moreover, I believe if those albums had not been released, they wouldn't have been considered for addition, therefore, I wouldn't say the connection to heavy metal is so blatantly obvious, as you claim it, Mike.

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Posted: March 30 2007 at 12:03

^ Sludge is a metal genre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sludge_metal

And of course all the mentioned bands (Pelican, Neurosis, Isis, Cult of Luna, partly Agalloch, Kayo Dot) are metal bands ... why "disguising" them as Post-Rock when they aren't? Surely not just to make it more obvious that they don't sound like Dream Theater?

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Posted: March 30 2007 at 11:53

I voted for post-rock - I don't really like the term post-metal anyway being that the music it describes seems more of a continuation of punk, sludge and shoegaze, hardly metal in conventional terms and noticably closer to mogwai than to maiden.

I've no idea about don caballero, I had a feeling they were a math/noise rock band lol

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Posted: March 30 2007 at 11:41

The music of bands like Pelican, Neurosis, Isis, Cult of Luna (and also partly Agalloch, Kayo Dot and others to a different degree)and their followers is most usually labelled as 'Post-Metal', which describes their sound, often influenced by bands like Godsflesh, The Melvins on the one hand, and post-rock collectives on the other, quite well, I think. They surely do deserve a place on this site.

Why I posted this thread/poll was to ask your opinion: do you think the sound of these bands is closer to Progressive Metal (in the broad meaning of the word, self-evidently, if we took Prog-Metal in the meaning "Queensryche, Fates Warning and influences bands, this thread wouldn't go in the direction I'd like it to go, so please do not bring this up!) or Post-Rock? Judging by the latest releases of Isis, Pelican and Neurosis, which are the most popular examples, I have come to the conclusion that the genre has considerably more noticeable post-rock tendencies than those common to prog-metal's archetype.

Furthermore, what subgenre do you think Don Caballero fits in the best? I think they are very well in Post-Rock, whereas a member of the team I used to be in thinks they are Prog-Metal.

All opinions are welcome.

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Poll Question: Which category is more adequate for the bands that play in this style?
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Progressive Metal, the way it is now.	8	[32.00%]
Post-Rock would be a better choice.	16	[64.00%]
Art Rock, since it is neither but has elements of both.	0	[0.00%]
Erm, some other subgenre of prog or related?	0	[0.00%]
"They have nothing to do on this site" (aw shucks!)	1	[4.00%]
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Philéas Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Forum Senior Member Joined: June 14 2006 Status: Offline Points: 6419	Posted: March 30 2007 at 12:36
	Post-Rock would be a better choice.

MikeEnRegalia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21847	Posted: March 30 2007 at 12:35
	^ ok, if you want to avoid coined phrases I'd describe these bands as "experimental minimalistic metal". Even a word like "Sludge" shuold be avoided as it doesn't tell you much about how it sounds unless you already know most of the bands.
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laplace Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: October 06 2005 Location: popupControl(); Status: Offline Points: 7606	Posted: March 30 2007 at 12:08
	don't get all defensive Mikey, I've seen you do this before ;P besides Trickster said this wasn't about seperating dream theater from post-metal so I didn't mention any orthodox prog names on purpose. I see that you are ignoring the intentions of the thread :P i'm a doom metal fan so I know a little about my sludge. what I mean is that their metal influence is of tertiary importance to their sound. all the bands listed have very chromatic hardcore riffing and hardly your standard drumming patterns or vocal delivery. bonus points for refuting this without referring to a categorization invented by a journalist for god knows what reason.

MikeEnRegalia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21847	Posted: March 30 2007 at 12:07
	"Post" means that it developed beyond the boundaries of the genre, but is still influenced by it. It's exactly the previous albums which make the connection so obvious, Ivan.
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Trickster F. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Belize Status: Offline Points: 5308	Posted: March 30 2007 at 12:05
	Last two Isis albums, also Neurosis's and Pelican's new direction make me question their relation to the metal genre, moreover, I believe if those albums had not been released, they wouldn't have been considered for addition, therefore, I wouldn't say the connection to heavy metal is so blatantly obvious, as you claim it, Mike.
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MikeEnRegalia Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: April 22 2005 Location: Sweden Status: Offline Points: 21847	Posted: March 30 2007 at 12:03
	^ Sludge is a metal genre: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sludge_metal And of course all the mentioned bands (Pelican, Neurosis, Isis, Cult of Luna, partly Agalloch, Kayo Dot) are metal bands ... why "disguising" them as Post-Rock when they aren't? Surely not just to make it more obvious that they don't sound like Dream Theater?
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laplace Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: October 06 2005 Location: popupControl(); Status: Offline Points: 7606	Posted: March 30 2007 at 11:53
	I voted for post-rock - I don't really like the term post-metal anyway being that the music it describes seems more of a continuation of punk, sludge and shoegaze, hardly metal in conventional terms and noticably closer to mogwai than to maiden. I've no idea about don caballero, I had a feeling they were a math/noise rock band lol

Trickster F. Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Reviewer page Prog Reviewer Joined: February 10 2006 Location: Belize Status: Offline Points: 5308	Posted: March 30 2007 at 11:41
	The music of bands like Pelican, Neurosis, Isis, Cult of Luna (and also partly Agalloch, Kayo Dot and others to a different degree)and their followers is most usually labelled as 'Post-Metal', which describes their sound, often influenced by bands like Godsflesh, The Melvins on the one hand, and post-rock collectives on the other, quite well, I think. They surely do deserve a place on this site. Why I posted this thread/poll was to ask your opinion: do you think the sound of these bands is closer to Progressive Metal (in the broad meaning of the word, self-evidently, if we took Prog-Metal in the meaning "Queensryche, Fates Warning and influences bands, this thread wouldn't go in the direction I'd like it to go, so please do not bring this up!) or Post-Rock? Judging by the latest releases of Isis, Pelican and Neurosis, which are the most popular examples, I have come to the conclusion that the genre has considerably more noticeable post-rock tendencies than those common to prog-metal's archetype. Furthermore, what subgenre do you think Don Caballero fits in the best? I think they are very well in Post-Rock, whereas a member of the team I used to be in thinks they are Prog-Metal. All opinions are welcome.
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