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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10742 |
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Hi Dick, glad you weighed in on this, more specifically the question is about two leads playng lines together in harmony (ie Fleetwood Mac, Allmans, Wishbone Ash etc), not just two lead guitars. I don't think the Stones did a lot of harmonized leads together, but I have been wrong before.
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Dick Heath ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Jazz-Rock Specialist Joined: April 19 2004 Location: England Status: Offline Points: 12818 |
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I thought the Nashville Teens had dual lead before mid-60's (big hit: Toacco Road) - wasn't it one reason why they won MM's Group Contest 1963 or '4? Of course Hank and Bruce in the Shadows had to lead guitars in 1959, although Jet Harris on an early electric bass did more lead work then Bruce Welsh, who was strictly rhythm* (how many chords did Welch know?) - and then I think Hank played with Wally Whyton (folkie and children's TV presenter) in the Vipers in 1957 or 8......
* On the sleeve of Wishbone 4 one photograph includes a Shadow's LP cover as an acknowledgment to what went before. Indeed Keith Richard and Brian Jones of the Stones weren't that bad on leads. Edited by Dick Heath - June 03 2008 at 13:46 |
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Good choice, I do believe the Ventures did some harmonized melodic leads, which leads to a band we all forgot, the Shadows in the UK, who did a lot of instrumentals with harmonized lead guitars and were an influence on many young aspiring prog-rockers.
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How about The Ventures? Were tthey using dual lead guitars? They came before any other band mentioned here. I'm thinking of Walk Don't Run, etc., but I haven't heard those songs in a while so it may be more of a lead/rhythm guitar configuration.
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Garion81 ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() Honorary Collaborator Joined: May 22 2004 Location: So Cal, USA Status: Offline Points: 4338 |
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^ I have to agree Bob that the Yardbirds use of the dual guitar was more akin to the Stones rhythm and lead. Quicksilver had two lead guitarist in their formative years before their record deal in 1967 actually they had a third member who sang and played guitar as well. But who really knows who was first. Is the Question who put a band together using it or who first employed it? I mean that could go back to any two people sitting down and trading chops. Jerry Garcia used to sit in with Airplane all the time and him and Jorma Kaukonen (and Jack Casidy) used to trade chops all the time but never as part of a studio album so not sure that counts. But I am guessing for Rock within a band this came about somewhere in the mid 60's but I couldn't tell you who was first.
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Easy Money ![]() Special Collaborator ![]() ![]() Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: August 11 2007 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 10742 |
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Well the Yardbirds were around way ahead of Fleetwood Mac, but I thought they played in a rhythm plus lead style like the Stones.
I think the question was about two lead guitars harmonizing melodies together. I can't remember if the Yardbirds played in that style, if they did they would at least be ahead of the other mentioned bands. P.S. I just got through playing my only Yardbirds record, Over Under etc. There were a lot of great songs with two guitars, but no harmonized leads. I know there is Beck's Bolero, but that may or may not be an isolated incident. Also, Bolero sounds like Beck double tracking himself, I'm sure he was aware of Les Paul's pioneering work in this area. I guess the alleged Bubble Puppy comes in ahead of Fleetwood Mac. Seems like maybe the Beatles did a couple early guitar breaks with harmonized leads but that may not be true, also I was wondering if the Byrds did anything in that style. Looks like everyone else has lost interest, I guess I'll just turn out the light and close the door behind me. Edited by Easy Money - June 03 2008 at 09:16 |
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^ that's a good guess, or they at least popularized it
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it was the Yardbirds who invented double lead guitar
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Lynyrd Skynyrd had 3 lead guitars most of the time e.g. Rossington, Collins and Gaines.
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KeleCableII ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() Joined: December 30 2005 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 275 |
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I believe one of the defining features of southern rock is the twin lead guitar. Lynyrd Skynyrd, Allman Brothers, .38 Special, The Outlaws and The Marshall Tucker Band all had two lead guitarists, I think.
Edit: Triple guitar in Molly Hatchet apparently. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flirtin'_with_Disaster) Edited by KeleCableII - June 03 2008 at 02:40 |
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i dont know if they were the first but... Judas Priest did it in 1973
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Bubble Puppy founded in 1966 seems to be credited with the first dual lead guitar.
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A quick check of the internet has Mac forming in 67, Allmans 69 and Ash in 70.
I keep wondering about the possibility of some older RnB or blues band out there that did it first. |
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^Wishbone Ash definitely started doing it before Black Oak, back in '69 for sure. Easy Money could be right about the Allman bro's on this one, but I'm pretty sure even if they got to it well before Wishbone did, Wishbone were the guys that made it popular. |
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I think we can add Savoy Brown to the list...
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Black Oak Arkansas were doing the twin lead thing in '70 - '71. Not sure if it was first but it was early on.
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From an interview with Laurie Wisefield of Wishbone Ash:
Where did the dual guitar sound originate? Laurie: A long time ago before I was with Wishbone Ash I played with a band called Home, who did a couple of albums and then split. Home did a lot of touring with Wishbone in those days and both bands were using the twin lead guitar sound, so I’d definitely say that Home and Wishbone Ash were the first. There are several bands using the twin lead guitar sound now but I shan’t mention any names. Addendum: that was around 1973, so I'd say Fleetwood Mac were one of the pioneers. Edited by James - June 03 2008 at 00:13 |
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If you are talking about two guitars harmonizing a melody together in a rock context then I am sure the Allmans were ahead of Ash and Maiden. The question is, was there someone ahead of the Allmans, that someone could be Fleetwood Mac. Edited by Easy Money - June 03 2008 at 00:14 |
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Harry, that last post went right over my head!
Well, let me see... you're correct, Wishbone Ash, Thin Lizzy, Allman Brothers Band, Fleetwood Mac and Quicksilver Messenger Service all had twin guitars. What about twin acoustic in a rockier context? I'm thinking of Pentangle here. Of course, twin acoustic have been used for centuries. In the 1930s you had Eddie Lang playing with other acoustic guitarists, as well as Leadbelly also playing with others. Also, Juicy Lucy kind of had twin guitars in the late 1960s. Edited by James - June 03 2008 at 00:07 |
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[QUOTE=Easy Money]The first person to release albums with double tracked guitars was Les Paul [QUOTE].
I think the original poster was actually talking about harmonized twin leads and dualing guitar solos and not double tracking per se. Well anyway, the way I always saw it, was that Wishbone Ash were one of the bands that really made harmonized guitar parts popular, and not only used the bog standard major and minor 3rds, but also used parallel 4ths and from memory parallel 5ths, but I can't be sure about the 5ths.
Iron Maiden made it even more popular and raised the bar of the complexity of the actual rifffs to be harmonized. Not only using just harmonized licks, but on some of their work utilising contrary motion as well (but not that frequently) Edited by HughesJB4 - June 03 2008 at 00:00 |
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