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Slartibartfast 
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 Posted: April 27 2014 at 07:38 |
 infocat wrote:
I just call them records. |
That wasn't an option but now that I think about them they were called records or albums before CDs came out. And they still are regardless of format if an artist puts together a collection of new music. I just wanted to poke a little fun at the younger generation that calls records in a certain format vinyls. 
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Rick Robson
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 07:33 |
^Thanks Dean for your interesting explanations. About that phrase i already imagined more or less its meaning. I also make mine your words about the gatefold covers (now I know the correct name), I turn out having nostalgic feelings about that times. Anyway, now I have Internet which allows me knowing much better the world of music at the click of a mouse, although without that much better clicks and scratches you meant of course.
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Dean
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Posted: April 27 2014 at 05:09 |
Rick Robson wrote:
infocat wrote:
I just call them records. |
Just for the record, anything can be a record. Btw it's a Marillion song isn't it? If I'm right it's from an LP that I owned once in my life named "Clutching At Straws", nice Long Play it was... another double one i guess. EDIT: By saying "double" I was meaning like a folding cover, with all the lyrics written inside. |
Strictly speaking a double is an album with two discs, what you are referring to the rest of us call a gatefold.
[the Mary-lion lyric is indeed 'just for the record' - an idiom that means 'a public statement so that my own version of the facts will be known', it does not refer to recorded music]
LP was originally an acronym of Long Play but whereas EP retains the 'play' as Extended Play, an LP is more commonly called a Long Player. 
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To answer the poll - I use the term LP or record. I dislike the word vinyl as it attained an inferred connotation of superiority (ie pretentiousness) that it does not deserve, if audiophiles were serious about audio fidelity they would not be using LPs, they would be using ¼" reel to reel tape recordings at 7½ in/s (or better still - ½" tape at 15 in/s). I have a moderate (600+) collection of LP records³ amassed over a 40+ year period and still buy them today but I don't keep them for any perceived belief in their superiority of audio reproduction. It's more like stamp collection - I like the aesthetic of the format and the packaging. A gatefold cover is far more pleasing to look at than an unreadable CD inlay booklet and the ritual of removing an LP from its sleeve, placing it on the turntable platter and lowering the stylus onto the groove is still more satisfying than pressing ► on a CD or MP3 player. The clicks and scratches I could live without.
I do however use the word vinyl, but begrudgingly so and only to avoid confusion in online conversations.
Back in the day the word vinyl was rarely used, and then only by pretentious¹ people who only used it to refer to 45s (and oft only 12" 45s). Similarly, if anyone used the word disc (not disk) it also generally meant a 45 or single (or sometimes a 7-inch), rarely an album. The word single is of course a misnomer as they generally have two or more tracks, its odd that the acronym SP was never in common use for Single (or Short) Play.
There was never any need to refer to an album of music by the material it was made from, the only alternative was tape and that was called by its format because there were three different formats to chose from (reel, cassette and 8-track). We don't call CDs carbonates (or more accurately polycarbonates) so why call LPs vinyls (or more accurately polyvinyl chlorides or PVCs)?
If you had a record player it meant you had a turntable for playing records on, you could not play a tape (or CD come to that) on a record player, ergo - the word record is a shortening of the noun-phrase gramophone record and was used for either² 33⅓, 45 or 78 but never tape (tapes were recordings), though it was also most commonly used for singles on 78 or 45 so was prefixed with LP (as LP record) when you meant an album of music.
Incidentally, the word album derives from the days of sheet music were collections of song-scores were published in book form. Later when multiple 78s (which were made from shellac) were released as a collection, they were also published in book form and called an album.
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¹ and for once the word 'pretentious' when used in this context is not a synonym for 'Prog' but 'DJ'. ² some record players were capable of a 4th speed - 16⅔ that was only used for speech (mainly Linguaphone recordings). ³ recently I have been reluctantly driving a car that does not have a CD player (bizarre for a vehicle made in 2002, but that's Honda for you) so have had to dig out a few cassettes to play on long journeys - my word those things are dreadful, how and why we put up with then for so long is a mystery.
Edited by Dean - April 27 2014 at 05:36
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Man With Hat
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 21:57 |
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I've said both, but prefer LPs.
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Rick Robson
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 21:37 |
infocat wrote:
I just call them records. |
Just for the record, anything can be a record. Btw it's a Marillion song isn't it? If I'm right it's from an LP that I owned once in my life named "Clutching At Straws", nice Long Play it was... another double one i guess. EDIT: By saying "double" I was meaning like a folding cover, with all the lyrics written inside.
Edited by Rick Robson - April 26 2014 at 21:55
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 20:57 |
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 20:54 |
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I just call them records.
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 20:42 |
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Surprisingly enough, there are many, at least late-teens that look upon vinyl as an ancient relic.....
Tell you got Eagles' 'One Of These Nights' and some folks respond with "must be worth a fortune now"..........(yeah, 3 bucks for a mint copy fortune.....)
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 20:28 |
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An LP is one type of vinyl record.
What bugs me is middle-aged men who talk about an album and then say "YES, I SAID ALBUM, okay?!?!? I'm OLD!!!!!!" like people don't still say "album" now. "Back in MY day..." |
This happens to me a lot. I just nod like I think they know what they're talking about.
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 20:22 |
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"Nobody's Gonna Change My World That's Something To Unreal" Lyrics that i live my life by-from Black Sabbath's Technical Ecstasy's track You Won't Change Me
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 20:19 |
An LP is one type of vinyl record.
What bugs me is middle-aged men who talk about an album and then say "YES, I SAID ALBUM, okay?!?!? I'm OLD!!!!!!" like people don't still say "album" now. "Back in MY day..."
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 19:45 |
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Polymorphia
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 19:38 |
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 19:11 |
Polymorphia wrote:
Tom Ozric wrote:
LP's are made from Vinyl - when talking in music terms, vinyl will always be the good ole long player, and not the latest floor covering of your sex-dungeon......... |
Says who? |
Says me ;-}>
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 19:03 |
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 19:00 |
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Polymorphia
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 18:44 |
Tom Ozric wrote:
LP's are made from Vinyl - when talking in music terms, vinyl will always be the good ole long player, and not the latest floor covering of your sex-dungeon......... |
Says who?
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Tom Ozric
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 18:42 |
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LP's are made from Vinyl - when talking in music terms, vinyl will always be the good ole long player, and not the latest floor covering of your sex-dungeon.........
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 14:32 |
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I use both terms on PA, but in real life Denmark it's 'plader' and that has never changed.
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Posted: April 26 2014 at 14:23 |
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We called them both LP's and vinyl .....but saying vinyl didn't become popular until cd's came out in my group.
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