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Originally posted by octopus-4 octopus-4 wrote:

True. It's like calling Bob Dylan's "Saved" a Christian Country-Rock album.

EXACTLY. LOL 
By this POV You have tooooooo many options to add new genres. Imagine.....
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Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

^ This isn't about personal life of musicians like their religion or beliefs. We talk about Music genre. As I said before In My Opinion we can't define a new genre based on content of lyrics. 

I agree, that definition CPR as a new genre is not systematically consistent. But if some artists are talking about CPR as about their new movement, anybody can - by my opinion - accept it as their own self-characterization across prog-rock subgenres. 
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True. It's like calling Bob Dylan's "Saved" a Christian Country-Rock album.
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Points: 2619 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: September 01 2015 at 10:53
^ This isn't about personal life of musicians like their religion or beliefs. We talk about Music genre. As I said before In My Opinion we can't define a new genre based on content of lyrics. 
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Originally posted by someone_else someone_else wrote:

A subgenre Christian Prog aka CPR does not exist as such. It is the utmost form of crap to define a subgenre by the lyrics or the faith or religion of the believers. OK, a small minority of Christian musicians create prog music with Christian themes in their lyrical content, such as Neal Morse or Iona, or some lesser known bands like Saviour Machine, Ajalon or Flagship, but that does not put them in a bogus subgenre like "Christian Prog". Yikes!

Indeed!  I am a Christian and enjoy some Kerry Livgren-inspired Kansas, some Neal Morse, some Iona, some Ajalon.  Even a few that never made it (from southern California anyway):  Aslan (a great prog band of the late 1970s-early 1980s with Christian influence); Michael Omartian (he made it much bigger as a studio musician for Steely Dan and Christopher Cross in the late 1970s) - to name a couple.  But, to lump them into a sub-genre is demeaning.  Do not blacklist them just because they are known as 'Christian.'  Some of their albums are great pieces of prog!  And that is how they should be known...
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Originally posted by uduwudu uduwudu wrote:

Christian themed music turns up in the weirdest of places. Sabbath's After Forever is very much so. But as the message come from the arbiters of Satan (... Sabbath...) then they refuse to listen. I know, I tried to tell a Christian once about this and was give "I refuse to listen".

Well, what God wants god gets.

I suppose if you play christian music backwards you get messages from god rather than the devil.

No, in the best case-situation just an angel speaking in tongues LOL (worst case: a fallen angel). But I have read enough in the Bible during the last 30 years to believe that God does not practice backward masking.
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Christian themed music turns up in the weirdest of places. Sabbath's After Forever is very much so. But as the message come from the arbiters of Satan (... Sabbath...) then they refuse to listen. I know, I tried to tell a Christian once about this and was give "I refuse to listen".

Well, what God wants god gets.

I suppose if you play christian music backwards you get messages from god rather than the devil.


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Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

One of the Progressive Rock important specifics is instrumental side of music IMO. I know some Prog fans (like me) that don't understand Italian or French languages BUT love many of Italian and French band and music. I want to talk about myself. I love Osaana , Nemo , PFM , Lazuli , Cherry Five , Ange etc. I don't note to lyrics and lyrics isn't important for me. 

Many people think similarly.
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One of the Progressive Rock important specifics is instrumental side of music IMO. I know some Prog fans (like me) that don't understand Italian or French languages BUT love many of Italian and French band and music. I want to talk about myself. I love Osaana , Nemo , PFM , Lazuli , Cherry Five , Ange etc. I don't note to lyrics and lyrics isn't important for me. 
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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

@aglasshouse: Don't be hasty. What do think the Great Gig In The Sky is? LOL
Well I never really liked that one either.
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Points: 1885 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:51
Originally posted by O666 O666 wrote:

After review your posts in this thread IMO Christian Prog is not a Progressive Rock sub genre and we cant make a NEW sub genre based on Lyrics alone !!


By my opinion label CPR can be used in artists biography in case, when it is explicit artists' selfidentification
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After review your posts in this thread IMO Christian Prog is not a Progressive Rock sub genre and we cant make a NEW sub genre based on Lyrics alone !!
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@aglasshouse: Don't be hasty. What do think the Great Gig In The Sky is? LOL

Edited by SteveG - August 31 2015 at 10:18
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Points: 1885 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:11
Here is "Virtual Christian Progressive Rock Round Table" or "discussion with music journalist Steve Morley and five Christian progressive rock musicians" 

http://archives.umc.org/interior.asp?ptid=1&mid=5362
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Points: 1505 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:08
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Gospel Prog! Great idea!
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Points: 1505 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:04
Prog for Christians? Peh. Music shouldn't be under any beliefs. Unless it's gospel or something.
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Points: 20617 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2015 at 10:02
But is Neal Morse Prog better than James Blunt Prog?
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Points: 16952 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2015 at 09:59
Neal Morse Prog. 
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Points: 13481 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 31 2015 at 09:48
Originally posted by WeepingElf WeepingElf wrote:

I understand "Christian prog" to mean prog with Christian lyrics or concepts, such as much of Neal Morse's solo works, or Iona.


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