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infocat 
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 Posted: July 02 2017 at 09:56 |
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It's hard to say, because like someone else said above, his singing turns me off first.
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Posted: July 01 2017 at 20:59 |
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I would say the should be able to enjoy it. I'm a Christian and I like some of Burzum's albums so I don't see why non Christians wouldn't be able to enjoy Neal Morse. Personally I am not a fan of him but that's just my opinion. I think it's all about how you view the message.
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Posted: July 01 2017 at 19:39 |
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I'd like to know if Neal Morse can enjoy non-Christian music.
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Thatfabulousalien
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Posted: July 01 2017 at 17:49 |
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When he's being unconventional with the music itself
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CorwinA
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Posted: July 01 2017 at 11:41 |
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I *might* be able to get past the lyrics as a non-Christian, but when it comes to Neal Morse, it's really the vocals that kill it for me. Something about his voice, or what he does with it, is physically painful for me to listen to. :/ Respect to the guy for doing his thing, but the way he sings is just not for me.
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Posted: February 06 2017 at 16:01 |
I've been a big fan of Neal Morse for a while, just love his talent for composing prog and prog epics. I'm not really into religion but I try not to let this affect me while listening to his music, it's just too good to toss aside for the overall meaning of some of his music.
With that said, I don't like all of his solo stuff, I got Lifeline when it came out and haven't listened to it since. I enjoy the albums where it's more telling of a story than anything else, which includes One, Sola Scriptura, Similitude and even the Testimony albums. The stories are about Christianity but not trying to convert anyone. One of his most well-known albums is Snow with Spock's and that is telling a story, these listed above follow a similar route.
I say, if you want Neal Morse but don't want Christian lyrics then just stick to Spock's and Transatlantic. That said I strongly urge anyone to listen to Similitude, great album, better live show.
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Posted: February 04 2017 at 14:40 |
 Dean wrote:
Tapfret wrote:
Are pessimists able to enjoy Yes? |
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Yes I enjoy Yes I'm a positive pessimist: ready for the worst  and enjoying the good things of life 
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Posted: February 03 2017 at 21:21 |
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Of course they are. Perhaps something could be gained from listening to the music and also being a Christian; identifying with the themes and lyrics, extrapolating based on that, etc. It could very well add to your listening experience and final evaluation of his work. It certainly does not mean that people who aren't religiously inclined would be incapable of enjoying the melodies, the stories, the instrumentation, songwriting, and yes, lyrics, too. And so on.
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Posted: February 03 2017 at 19:29 |
Nope, not even a little. Instrumental religious music is fine, but as soon as lyrics are involved, I run for them thar hills
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Posted: January 28 2017 at 22:09 |
I was raised Catholic, and while I am still believe in "something," I am not a practicing christian.
I don't find most of Neal's lyrics to be preachy. He can get a bit overboard at times with the God and Jesus references (a lot of the Lifeline album, parts of Sola, the Testimony albums), but for the most part, he is not preachy. Preachy implies someones is trying to convert you in holier-than-thou way, and I NEVER get the vibe. His lyrics and delivery always come across in a very "this is just how I feel" heartfelt way. If you don't believe what he does, then what is the issue?
For me, when it is all said and done, the music is great enough that he could sing the phone book and it would sound great. Between Transatlantic, Spock's Beard and his solo career (counting NMB in there), he has a staggering amount of great prog music. He is among the all-time great prog artists, without a doubt.
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Posted: January 26 2017 at 07:16 |
omphaloskepsis wrote:
geekfreak wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
Funny I should see this topic, I listened to "The Whirlwind" just a few days ago. Morse produces some of the best symphonic prog that has been done outside the classic years 1970-1975. But, I have found his Christian message more and more difficult to listen to as I have got older. Prog rock has suffered the slings and arrows of many a critic admonishing the "whimsical lyrics" since they obviously just want songs to be about boy meets girl. And, with Yes particularly the very esoteric nature of Andersons lyrics makes the music in my opinion. But Morse's lyrics are just irritating Christian preaching. I tried to ignore it - but when I got to "Dancing with Eternal Glory" - It just irritated me to the point of non-enjoyment. Perhaps he should sing about other stuff, he is a great musician, but his born-again faith delusion is wasting that talent!!! |
strictly speaking Neal`s lyrics are his own points of view from re-finding his faith, has I haven't truly an faith due to the darker sides of life`s downward sh*t! but if anyone else has fine with me, but his he preaching no more than Cliff Richard did. if it is irritating you easy answer "Don't Listen" if as you say non-enjoyment hmmm don't buy them...please don't take this to heart its just my own point of view. he as produces some huge symphonic PROG!!!! Solo/Spock`s Beard  |
Barney's post mirrors my thoughts on Jon Anderson vs Neal Morse. I feel that Neal is preaching to me. Warning me of the perils of an unchristian life. I'm a fan of John Michael Talbot. He's a Catholic Monk/guitarist/singer-songwriter. To my ears, John Michael sings directly to God. Whereas Neal Morse sing/preaches about the Christian life. Jon Anderson and John Michael are worshipful. Neal not as much, and there's something about Neal's delivery of the Gospel that rubs me the wrong way. |
Anderson's spiritual esoteric lyrics are fine with Yes - I have no problem. Similarly, Genesis - Supper's Ready is fairly religious based (good v Evil) with quite a lot of biblical references (Apocalypse, dragon , Gog, Magog etc) - but it's mythical and non preachy - Morse's solo stuff is horribly preachy so I don't listen to it at all! I may have been a bit hasty with the Whirlwind - I reckon my irritation was with Morse's complete disregard for Darwin's 100% proven model for how we got here...Yes this is NOT more than time & chance, IT IS TIME & CHANCE get over it Neil....Mind U - SB - V is VERY Good, with no preachy lyrics....
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Posted: January 25 2017 at 22:07 |
geekfreak wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
Funny I should see this topic, I listened to "The Whirlwind" just a few days ago. Morse produces some of the best symphonic prog that has been done outside the classic years 1970-1975. But, I have found his Christian message more and more difficult to listen to as I have got older. Prog rock has suffered the slings and arrows of many a critic admonishing the "whimsical lyrics" since they obviously just want songs to be about boy meets girl. And, with Yes particularly the very esoteric nature of Andersons lyrics makes the music in my opinion. But Morse's lyrics are just irritating Christian preaching. I tried to ignore it - but when I got to "Dancing with Eternal Glory" - It just irritated me to the point of non-enjoyment. Perhaps he should sing about other stuff, he is a great musician, but his born-again faith delusion is wasting that talent!!! |
strictly speaking Neal`s lyrics are his own points of view from re-finding his faith, has I haven't truly an faith due to the darker sides of life`s downward sh*t! but if anyone else has fine with me, but his he preaching no more than Cliff Richard did. if it is irritating you easy answer "Don't Listen" if as you say non-enjoyment hmmm don't buy them...please don't take this to heart its just my own point of view. he as produces some huge symphonic PROG!!!! Solo/Spock`s Beard |
Barney's post mirrors my thoughts on Jon Anderson vs Neal Morse. I feel that Neal is preaching to me. Warning me of the perils of an unchristian life. I'm a fan of John Michael Talbot. He's a Catholic Monk/guitarist/singer-songwriter. To my ears, John Michael sings directly to God. Whereas Neal Morse sing/preaches about the Christian life. Jon Anderson and John Michael are worshipful. Neal not as much, and there's something about Neal's delivery of the Gospel that rubs me the wrong way.
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Posted: January 25 2017 at 11:42 |
M27Barney wrote:
Funny I should see this topic, I listened to "The Whirlwind" just a few days ago. Morse produces some of the best symphonic prog that has been done outside the classic years 1970-1975. But, I have found his Christian message more and more difficult to listen to as I have got older. Prog rock has suffered the slings and arrows of many a critic admonishing the "whimsical lyrics" since they obviously just want songs to be about boy meets girl. And, with Yes particularly the very esoteric nature of Andersons lyrics makes the music in my opinion. But Morse's lyrics are just irritating Christian preaching. I tried to ignore it - but when I got to "Dancing with Eternal Glory" - It just irritated me to the point of non-enjoyment. Perhaps he should sing about other stuff, he is a great musician, but his born-again faith delusion is wasting that talent!!! |
strictly speaking Neal`s lyrics are his own points of view from re-finding his faith, has I haven't truly an faith due to the darker sides of life`s downward sh*t! but if anyone else has fine with me, but his he preaching no more than Cliff Richard did. if it is irritating you easy answer "Don't Listen" if as you say non-enjoyment hmmm don't buy them...please don't take this to heart its just my own point of view. he as produces some huge symphonic PROG!!!! Solo/Spock`s Beard
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Posted: January 24 2017 at 06:49 |
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Who would I be to speak for non-Christians? Never mind, there is not such a thing like "Christian music" or "non-Christian music". I think that a non-Christian is at least as able to enjoy Neal Morse's music as a Christian, though the lyrics may be another story for some. Speaking for myself, I only listen to music because of the music and not because of the lyrics. Therefore I reserve only two to three hours a week for those songs with good Christian lyrics that I try to sing along with, though the music to which these are put is for the most part whining and bleating: the Sunday mornings between let's say 9:30 and 12 AM. For the rest of the week my ears would rather prefer, for instance, a Gardnerian anthem like Wassail because of the music to which it is set.
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Posted: January 24 2017 at 06:44 |
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Well basically, all that nonsense that Morse spouted when his daughter recovered from a hole in her heart. Her recovery was undoubtedly due to modern medicine and the skilled physicians who treated her (though it was claimed that the hole in her heart disappeared after Morse his wife and others prayed to Jesus) For Morse to claim that her recovery was a miracle and all due to his invisible friend Jesus made me feel very sorry for his self delusion. But obviously I was and still am very happy with his daughters long term prognosis (and probably original misdiagnosis) He can personally believe that Jesus cured his daughter, he is free to indulge in his delusional fantasy. Just keep it to yourself and don't tell us such fecking lies!!
Edited by M27Barney - January 24 2017 at 08:39
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Posted: January 24 2017 at 03:34 |
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Years ago, I was a Christian person. Now - hell no. Forget it.
But I still dig Spock's Beard. Understand where Morse is coming from But, I've chosen my path (to Hell, I really don't care.....) and I enjoy Morse and his musical / lyrical arrangements. Bless him !! What he does in the Prog world means a lot to me.
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Posted: January 24 2017 at 03:27 |
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Funny I should see this topic, I listened to "The Whirlwind" just a few days ago. Morse produces some of the best symphonic prog that has been done outside the classic years 1970-1975. But, I have found his Christian message more and more difficult to listen to as I have got older. Prog rock has suffered the slings and arrows of many a critic admonishing the "whimsical lyrics" since they obviously just want songs to be about boy meets girl. And, with Yes particularly the very esoteric nature of Andersons lyrics makes the music in my opinion. But Morse's lyrics are just irritating Christian preaching. I tried to ignore it - but when I got to "Dancing with Eternal Glory" - It just irritated me to the point of non-enjoyment. Perhaps he should sing about other stuff, he is a great musician, but his born-again faith delusion is wasting that talent!!!
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Posted: January 23 2017 at 17:19 |
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For me, non-Christians are still able to Enjoy Neal's music. Most people today, Christians or not admire songs without considering the lyrics.
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Posted: January 23 2017 at 15:29 |
hmmmm ......ahhhhh
omphaloskepsis wrote:
I don't know if it's Neal's lyrics or the candied, recycled keyboards...But I have a difficult time listening for more than 15 minutes. I seem to have the same experience every time. Neal's music begins and I love it then the minutes slide by and I'm left thinking...." This is getting old really fast."
Don't get me wrong. I dig Spock's Beard. And I like Transatlantic as long as it's DVD live. |
Don't get me wrong. I HATE Spock's Beard with a passion. And I like Transatlantic as long as I've got my face in a bag of cocaine and have a bottle of JD in my hand and a gun in the other. I simply think his music sucks.. all of that retro sh*t sucks. So no...has noting to do with the lyrics or whatever he thinks about God, Jesus, Religion, Trump or making America white again.
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Posted: January 23 2017 at 14:59 |
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As a Christian I am not offended by Slayer or Venom. So why should a non-Christian be offended by Neal? Lyrics work best when sung by someone with conviction.
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