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tribalfusions
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True, they definitely belong on there in terms of shows though there are some other factors that make bands like Dream Theater or Kansas as well as Mastodon perhaps more relevant in terms of overall awareness of the bands around the world and ability to tour beyond the holiday season in the US (which admittedly is a big country). I'd mention Steely Dan too in a broad sense. Phish should also be mentioned. Even though I don't care for them and they are almost entirely US based, they certainly are still huge in the US and proggy-ish to a degree and I suppose Umphrey's McGee should be mentioned too. Coheed and Cambria deserve a nod as well. I'd much rather mention the Dregs though they don't have these numbers but they did surprise me with their relatively good draw on their last US tour which almost certainly was the final tour from what Steve Morse has said. Honorable mentions to Neal Morse and Todd Rundgren.
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I agree with you on that. Do most here think of them as prog at this point?
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Thanks good call on both of those. Care to try any other of the neighboring countries perhaps?
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Thanks! You do have some good ones in your list but I have the impression that some of those are definitely not in the running; Mona Lisa or Supersister never even did more than a handful of shows abroad and not too many at home either. I'd say many of of those are primarily 'festival only' bands in terms of live performances though maybe that's more than what the others from those territories can do. But Focus is definitely way bigger than Supersister for example in terms of record sales and venue sizes for example as Magma is compared to Mona Lisa. I think Cabezas de Cera is a good call for Mexico too. I think it's probably Amon Duul 2 for Germany from the numbers I can find as well with the possible exception of Tangerine Dream depending on what you think of them I suppose.
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If they're viewed as a gimmick band (which I don't think they are, as that tends to be a perjorative), that only means they're able to capitalize on the connection. But Goblin's an awesome band, too. They don't sound like any other band. They're as RPI as any other RPI band, except they left the derivative symphonic style they indulged with great success in their earlier incarnation as Cherry Five. After doing some soundtracks for Argento, they even returned to it with the all-instrumental Roller (one of the best word-free prog albums of the '70s) and the more traditional Il Fantastico Viaggio del Bagarozzo Mark. They're fantastic players: Claudio and Fabio easily rank among my favorite keyboardists and bassists, respectively.. My response to the OP concerned which Italian prog band could successfully play a tour in the US. Goblin's been doing it. Not to take away from PFM, but your citing a 700-seat venue that PFM played in NY only proves that that's what they can do in the US. South America's much more receptive to non-English language prog bands. That's the way it is. Goblin hasn't only been playing American dates, either. They performed in Athens, Oslo and Stockholm last year.
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tribalfusions
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Thanks for the interesting breakdown of the Australian scene. Besides Karnivool, I think the only other ones I hear about outside of this site would be Voyager, Caligula's Horse and especially Ne Obliviscaris, all heavier bands as you mentioned along with Virgil Donati too and Plini to some extent. Either way, the tendency is harder edged.
Of all of these, Ne Obliviscaris seems to do the biggest capacity headlining tours in the most places around the world more often though I think Karnivool might be bigger at home in Australia.
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tribalfusions
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Actually PFM are a lot bigger than you realize. They played a 2700 capacity theater in Mexico City, 2500 capacity in Buenos Aires, an 8000 capacity venue in Sao Paolo, a 1400 capacity theater in Rome, 2500 in Padua and the 700 capacity Highline Ballroom in NY among other spots just recently. They actually are a candidate for biggest non-English language group in the world for prog. Goblin can't do those numbers in most of those territories though I agree they are riding a wave of retro interest in giallo movies in the US in particular along with a few other spots and deserve a mention too (I confess I never really thought of Goblin as all that prog either though they fit the broad definition in use here). Goblin don't tour South America unlike PFM who are genuinely big there but on the other hand Goblin have better numbers for North America where I think they are viewed as a gimmick band essentially. |
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That was definitely my thinking too regarding Sweden from the numbers I have seen from Opeth and Meshuggah. They would be 2 of the biggest from any country from the last 25 years in fact.
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I think you're correct regarding the greater popularity of older bands for a lot of the more significant prog nations like the US, UK or France. For some other countries though it will look different i.e.Opeth for Sweden or Ayreon for the Netherlands perhaps which is not the kind of 'old' most people would be thinking of even if it isn't totally new either. I wasn't expecting Los Jaivas to be cited there and although their touring is almost entirely within Chile's borders, I guess they are a good candidate within Chile itself. I'm definitely more interested in bands which can tour outside their own borders for the purposes of this thread barring some unusual circumstances or perhaps the absence of any bands from the country being able to tour so picking the next best thing etc. For example, I don't think any Japanese band tours outside Japan (I don't mean festival one offs) so it's better to use domestic criteria regarding popularity (# of shows and venue sizes, record sales etc) to have some idea. Edited by tribalfusions - October 20 2018 at 10:33 |
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Not really prog, though some of her music is in the jazz-rock category: Barbara Dennerlein. She tours all over Europe and America and occasionally in Asia too. Her music is mostly jazz though.
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Soft Machine toured recently too I think.
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Electric Asturias from Japan have been appearing regularly at festivals. I saw them on Cruise to the Edge 2014, and they've been on a few other cruises since then. I think they also did Rosfest. But as the OP pointed out, a festival appearance is not a "tour".
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USA - TSO are massive and probably outsell anyone else concert wise. |
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^Actually, I don't believe they did have Edgar's blessing.
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It's sad. I guess they're continuing with Edgar's and Bianca's blessing, but still...maybe they could call themselves Zeit or something. Speaking of former members, Peter Baumann spent some time in Paul Haslinger's studio a while back. Not sure what they did, since there's been no further news. Peter's new solo album was great, though.
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Yep, forgot about them for some reason. I agree though. There's no link between the current lineup and the classic lineup at all. Forget about original members. There's not even one current TD member who was even there in the 90's. Time to call the band something else imo.
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As much as I feel they should cease activity, the current incarnation of Tangerine Dream could easily do a limited tour of major cities in the States: Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago, NYC, Philadelphia and Boston.
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Poland: SBB (the 70s), Riverside (modern)
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France: Magma, Ange, Mona Lisa
Italy: PFM, Banco, Le Orme , Goblin, New Trolls(?), not sure about any newer bands Canada: Saga, FM, Spain: ? Germany: Amon Duul 2, Eloy, Faust, Popul Vuh, Triumvirat Sweden: Mostly just the prog metal bands. Maybe Anglagard and Anekdoten too. Netherlands: Focus, Supersister, Kayak Mexico: ? (maybe Cast or Cabezas Di Cera) I actually don't think there are many in South America, Mexico or Japan. I don't have much information that would suggest many lesser known bands sell much either. Some of them played at festivals such as prog day, Nearfest, Progfest and Baja prog. Typically festivals are the best bet for most bands who are not house hold names in the prog world. Edited by AFlowerKingCrimson - October 19 2018 at 06:39 |
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I think it's hard to say with any certainty for Australia - our "prog rock" scene is so fragmented across multiple states and dominated at moment by Djent/alt metal bands that nonetheless have the "prog rock" label slapped on them. That's the impression I have anyway, based on general visibility, tours and the lineups at the "ProgFests" (which have only been held in the Eastern states in recent years). In terms of current profile and sales etc, I'd nominate: Karnivool, they have very effectively ridden the Triple J tiger for a long time (a national ABC radio network that is the main avenue for independent Aussie music but not known for it's friendliness toward prog). In terms of general reputation over an extended time, Spectrum might get the gong? Based I think on Mike Rudd and co. doing the hard grind in the early '70's travelling the nation and performing their jammy/head music songs at rock festivals in various states. I've found a level of name recognition here in Adelaide with people in their late 50's onward that surprises me, considering that their presence on mainstream radio has for as long as I can remember been limited to 1 occasionally played song. Having a hit single very early on (the bluesy "I'll be gone") would help too, as perhaps would having had their first and second albums reissued beautifully by Aztec and so available again in recent years. Mike Rudd does still has an active lineup of Spectrum, mostly doing gigs around Melbourne (as it seems to me). Some of the current crop of heavy Aussie bands have done overseas tours but not sure how many (if any) bands or artists would or could attempt a headline tour. The bands Unitopia (defunct) and Southern Empire (very much alive) would have a profile that I suspect would fit well into overseas rock festivals and (imho) deserve a place there too, based on the quality of their music and their live performance. The cohort of djenty/alt-metal oriented bands here in Oz would probably do equally well at overseas metal festivals too, at a guess...
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