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This album never gets old. It's one of my favourites of all time.
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^ doesn't click' sort of flies with a 40 minute lp... not a double album.. that crosses over into worst album (bad f**king idea man) territory. The only thing worse than making an album of boring music, along with a silly ridiculous concept is making it is a double album.

Genesis always had a problem with consistency.. previous albums had some 1st rate killer stuff.. but along with it came really cringe worthy stuff.. but on the Lamb..  they sort of forgot to include the killer 1st rate stuff to balance out the cringe worthy or simply just plain boring stuff.  That is why some, like me, do call it their worst album.  It was a sin man..against good musical tastes..  and God might forgive that sh*t. but not Big Mick and his heavy hitters. No sir...
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

I guess it's a good album, but for me a step down from the previous ones... and even more, for me it's got no sublime songs as the best ones from Gabriel's era. If this is the direction Gabriel was going to take the band, then I guess I don't really regret him leaving at the time he did. It's sort of an equivalent to The Wall from Pink Floyd's discography, but yet I easily get more enjoyment out of that one.

Same for me...I like the earlier Genesis lp's better. It just doesn't click for me.
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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:

Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

I guess it's a good album, but for me a step down from the previous ones... and even more, for me it's got no sublime songs as the best ones from Gabriel's era. If this is the direction Gabriel was going to take the band, then I guess I don't really regret him leaving at the time he did. It's sort of an equivalent to The Wall from Pink Floyd's discography, but yet I easily get more enjoyment out of that one.

I always get the vibe that if Gabriel hung around for one more record, it probably wouldn't have been too pretty.


Hard to say, but if the Melody Maker center page interview about PG leaving Genesis, my take on it, was that he was disappointed with the reviews and the fans, and decided to go do something else.

Some of the material that he had on his first solo album, btw, has that Genesis sound/mix to it, which might have suggested that there was material that was ready to move forward past TLLDOB.

As I mentioned before, I think that the biggest problem during those days, was that some rock critics were on the war path against long anything, and it started, more or less, with CTTE and then was further enhanced by TFTO, and it also included AHM and Echoes. A lot of the reviews were upset that many bands were making it look like they were creating music for the sake of creating music, with no value to it whatsoever.

Time has been very kind to all of these pieces, and they are all remembered and appreciated, which tells you that some over eager fanboys had as much taste for music as they did dish-soap water! AND, it includes some comments by morons, calling TD "washing machine music", which no one, even here, ever said ... time out ... washing machines sound very different, so that guy is out of line and needed to get fired by Trump! Likewise, Rolling Stone, was also a magazine that did not like these big pieces and continued its tradition of only liking famous and hit music.

I don't think that anything following TLLDOB would be a downer or depressing ... it was created to be a stage show, but it didn't get its chance to go so far, and sadly, by that time, stage shows were on the way out (too expansive), with the exception of bands like PF, who continued that tradition, but in some cases they lost money on it, but they had already recouped it via sales, so they did not care!

Lastly, an artist, writer, painter, and even musician, has a right to express himself/herself ... it's weird that we sit here and say it could be depressing, and don't say that some of PH's lyrics ARE depressing, and sometimes strange, although in his later days, he makes a lot more sense. The work they do, is about ... not us ... not what we want ... and I find it strange that we still use that criticism for any of them ... so Picasso is disturbing (one picture anyway) and Bosch is not ... give it a break ... that comment is really not necessary!

Great post and I agree! Some "critics" are worse than even the most stringent naysayer. I do recall reading somewhere, though, that the band was sick and tired of Gabriel's stage antics at this point. Some of the costumes were so massive they obstructed his ability to successfully reach the microphone on stage, and he'd be out of breath from their massive size alone. You can hear him struggling on some of The Lamb LIVE stuff.

None of this negates what you said, because I totally agree. There was something magical about that 1970-1975 lineup!

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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Chamber of 32 Doors still sends shivers down my spine whenever I listen to it.


Me too. Lovely song.

I go on a Genesis forum every now and then, and for some reason the track is almost universally disliked by folk on there, and broadly deemed to be the worst song on the album


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Originally posted by Frenetic Zetetic Frenetic Zetetic wrote:

Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

I guess it's a good album, but for me a step down from the previous ones... and even more, for me it's got no sublime songs as the best ones from Gabriel's era. If this is the direction Gabriel was going to take the band, then I guess I don't really regret him leaving at the time he did. It's sort of an equivalent to The Wall from Pink Floyd's discography, but yet I easily get more enjoyment out of that one.

I always get the vibe that if Gabriel hung around for one more record, it probably wouldn't have been too pretty.


Hard to say, but if the Melody Maker center page interview about PG leaving Genesis, my take on it, was that he was disappointed with the reviews and the fans, and decided to go do something else.

Some of the material that he had on his first solo album, btw, has that Genesis sound/mix to it, which might have suggested that there was material that was ready to move forward past TLLDOB.

As I mentioned before, I think that the biggest problem during those days, was that some rock critics were on the war path against long anything, and it started, more or less, with CTTE and then was further enhanced by TFTO, and it also included AHM and Echoes. A lot of the reviews were upset that many bands were making it look like they were creating music for the sake of creating music, with no value to it whatsoever.

Time has been very kind to all of these pieces, and they are all remembered and appreciated, which tells you that some over eager fanboys had as much taste for music as they did dish-soap water! AND, it includes some comments by morons, calling TD "washing machine music", which no one, even here, ever said ... time out ... washing machines sound very different, so that guy is out of line and needed to get fired by Trump! Likewise, Rolling Stone, was also a magazine that did not like these big pieces and continued its tradition of only liking famous and hit music.

I don't think that anything following TLLDOB would be a downer or depressing ... it was created to be a stage show, but it didn't get its chance to go so far, and sadly, by that time, stage shows were on the way out (too expansive), with the exception of bands like PF, who continued that tradition, but in some cases they lost money on it, but they had already recouped it via sales, so they did not care!

Lastly, an artist, writer, painter, and even musician, has a right to express himself/herself ... it's weird that we sit here and say it could be depressing, and don't say that some of PH's lyrics ARE depressing, and sometimes strange, although in his later days, he makes a lot more sense. The work they do, is about ... not us ... not what we want ... and I find it strange that we still use that criticism for any of them ... so Picasso is disturbing (one picture anyway) and Bosch is not ... give it a break ... that comment is really not necessary!
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Originally posted by Dellinger Dellinger wrote:

I guess it's a good album, but for me a step down from the previous ones... and even more, for me it's got no sublime songs as the best ones from Gabriel's era. If this is the direction Gabriel was going to take the band, then I guess I don't really regret him leaving at the time he did. It's sort of an equivalent to The Wall from Pink Floyd's discography, but yet I easily get more enjoyment out of that one.

I always get the vibe that if Gabriel hung around for one more record, it probably wouldn't have been too pretty.

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Originally posted by lazland lazland wrote:

Chamber of 32 Doors still sends shivers down my spine whenever I listen to it.


Me too. Lovely song.

I go on a Genesis forum every now and then, and for some reason the track is almost universally disliked by folk on there, and broadly deemed to be the worst song on the album
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I guess it's a good album, but for me a step down from the previous ones... and even more, for me it's got no sublime songs as the best ones from Gabriel's era. If this is the direction Gabriel was going to take the band, then I guess I don't really regret him leaving at the time he did. It's sort of an equivalent to The Wall from Pink Floyd's discography, but yet I easily get more enjoyment out of that one.
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Originally posted by Squonk19 Squonk19 wrote:

A truly great album, and although it rests just below Foxtrot and SEBTP in my affections, that is not to suggest it is not a prog masterpiece. As I stated in another fairly recent post, the album's synergy is its strength. The whole remains stronger than its individual parts and while the whole album is littered with classic moments (I'll highlight The Lamia/Silent Sorrow in Empty Boats, Carpet Crawlers and practically the whole of Side 1 as being very special) - none touch the likes of Supper's Ready, Firth of Fifth, The Musical Box, Cinema Show, Watcher of the Skies etc. as stand-alone tracks, in my humble opinion. The narrative and vocals obviously dominate, but the instrumentation is fantastic (has an instrumental-only version ever been created, maybe on YouTube etc., to show just how superb Hackett, Banks, Rutherford and Collins worked together?)

The album works best as one long, undulating and emotional journey, with light, shade, pathos and humour throughout. The Archives Box live recording is recommended listening too. It's not always easy finding the time for all 4 sides, but whenever I do, it rewards me without fail.

P.S. The Musical Box and Los Endos tribute bands do great justice to the album, as well.

I completely understand what you mean in your post, and I agree. They are a very strong unit on Lamb, but the classic standalones are just that. Back in NYC and Colony of Slippermen are two of my all time fave Genesis tracks. So catchy.

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Colony of Slippermen is stuck in my head all day.

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Originally posted by Quinino Quinino wrote:

Almost everything, really, but Fly on a windshield sometimes gets a second spin

(although I prefer to enjoy the whole album without interruptions or skips)

This is me also......Brilliant album
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A truly great album, and although it rests just below Foxtrot and SEBTP in my affections, that is not to suggest it is not a prog masterpiece. As I stated in another fairly recent post, the album's synergy is its strength. The whole remains stronger than its individual parts and while the whole album is littered with classic moments (I'll highlight The Lamia/Silent Sorrow in Empty Boats, Carpet Crawlers and practically the whole of Side 1 as being very special) - none touch the likes of Supper's Ready, Firth of Fifth, The Musical Box, Cinema Show, Watcher of the Skies etc. as stand-alone tracks, in my humble opinion. The narrative and vocals obviously dominate, but the instrumentation is fantastic (has an instrumental-only version ever been created, maybe on YouTube etc., to show just how superb Hackett, Banks, Rutherford and Collins worked together?)

The album works best as one long, undulating and emotional journey, with light, shade, pathos and humour throughout. The Archives Box live recording is recommended listening too. It's not always easy finding the time for all 4 sides, but whenever I do, it rewards me without fail.

P.S. The Musical Box and Los Endos tribute bands do great justice to the album, as well.

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In 1994  Kevin Gilbert together with  Dan Hancock,  David Kerzner,  Stan Cotey and  Nick D'Virgilio recorded Live  at the Variety Arts Center, LA  during Progfest '94 the full (almost) album as a 20th anniv. tribute

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Still love The Lamb as much as when I first bought it - on double cassette back in '77 LOL  Almost impossible not to think of it as a single piece of music in it's intended order, but if I had to rank my fave songs...

1) The Lamia
2) The Colony of Slippermen
3) The Grand Parade
4) The Supernatural Anaesthetist 
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9) In the Rapids
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Chamber of 32 Doors still sends shivers down my spine whenever I listen to it.
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Amazing album from start to finish, no fillers for me (not even The Waiting Room). Full of originality, with a really cool concept. Fly on a Windshield, In the Cage, Back in NYC, Carpet Crawlers, The Lamia, Chamber of 32 Doors, Lilywhite Lilyth, Riding the Scree... but even "lesser tracks" like Broadway Melody, The Grand Parade, Anyway, The light Lights Down on Broadway... are amazing. One of the top albums of all-time prog. 
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I recently got this on CD ( had it on vinyl back in the day)
 Lots of great tracks on this album.
 Some of my favs are In the Cage, Carpet Crawlers, Fly on the Windshield, Counting out Time, title track & It. ( Yes, I like It !)


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Hi,

It's a great album and it deserved a stage show ... but I'm not sure that audiences (specially today) will enjoy some of the instrumental passages telling the story via film or visual ... that's just not prog enough because there ain't no lyrics telling them what it is and means!

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An absolute cracker of an album. Never gets old.
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