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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2010 at 12:07
Originally posted by Mellotron Storm Mellotron Storm wrote:

I think the influence would have been a lot bigger if the internet was a factor then. A huge album in my opinion.


This. The reason we've seen a resurgence of prog in the last 10 years (and don't give me any of that "prog never died" crap - it was at the very least extremely marginalised, undervalued and widely-ridiculed through much of the 80's and 90's) is largely down to the internet. The effortless sharing of content (legal or otherwise) coupled with the opportunities to seek out and communicate with like-minded individuals breathed new life into prog.

Obviously the internet isn't the only factor, and Anglagard certainly were amongst the first of the new breed to really show that there was still an appetite for new prog (they played that careful balancing act of 70s nostalgia and modern sensibilities to perfection) but ultimately the second coming of prog is down to a lot more than the contribution of any singular group or artist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2010 at 10:34
Originally posted by WalterDigsTunes WalterDigsTunes wrote:

Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The ninties saw a  general shift in attitude about music. Proper bands that could play their own instruments came back into vogue basically because people got fed up with the prefrabicated over produced bullsh*t that littered the eighties music scene. Nirvana and Oasis became massive in the 90's showing this shift as well as anything.
The most important band to me in the British rock scene was Mansun who produced one of the best albums of the decade with Attack Of The Grey Lantern including more than a few nods to progressive rock. Radiohead also emerged and were actually tagged 'prog rock' in some quarters. It was a safe time for prog bands too emerge from the closet properly and with a proper sense of pride about what they were doing. There was also too some extent a positive re-evaluation of progressive rock. It was just a very healthy decade for music (despite what Walter may think otherwiseWink)


That atrocious narrative deserves to be shot in the back of the head with a Colt 45. Its absolute rubbish. The 1980s were the last decade that offered modernist innovation, for it was a time where faith in the promise of technological achievement allowed new sounds to develop thanks to the digital revolution. The 90s were the beginning of the end, a dark age when banal slackers recycled old ideas and sold them as new. Oasis and Nirvana and Anglagard? Give me a break. None of these idiots ever came up with an idea that wasn't already done (in a superior fashion) before 1989. They had no sense of fun or originality; dour derisive and derivative, their crimes against culture should be prosecuted by all nations.
At least I should be grateful you actually bothered to explain your view. But that is all it is. I'm not throwiing out my albums made post 1989 thats for sure. All music looks backward to some extent for inspiration.Nothing happens in a vacuum. Prog in the seventies arguably started to get stale after 1972 when bands were already starting to recycle ideas.That's one reason why punk and new wave happened because many people saw the fallacy of bands like Yes ,Genesis and ELP passing off their music as 'progressive' when it obviously wasn't. (I still like it though)
As for 80's music there was some great artists like Kate Bush and they didn't suddenly drop dead on the 1st January 1990.There was never some arbitary cut off.
 
 
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The 1980s were the last decade that offered modernist innovation, for it was a time where faith in the promise of technological achievement allowed new sounds to develop thanks to the digital revolution
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 01 2010 at 06:17
Anglagard had beautiful "retro-modern" sound. Yes, they use real Hammonds and mellotrons (not a synthesized samples), but their sound was modernly-agressive  . Nobody in 70thies (including Yes, Genesis) played like this. And that's good for Anglagard - bring some modern feel into music, even use retro-instruments and technologies

Also, there is an interesting fact that Swedish prog-rock have something very subtle in common - Anglagard, Anekdoten, PLP, Sinkadus (and even Samla - which is in it's very separate category). I don't know where this "Swedish-born melodism" coming from, but I feel it in the music of all above mentioned bands . Maybe it's a subtle influence of Swedish folk music ?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 15:04
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Prog went back underground  but not a s a dead body of music. Anglagard are definitely neo.prog to my ear, but too obscure to be responsible  especially with a limited body of recordings for a 'rebirth' or perhaps more realistically, reappearance of prog above ground. You have to look towards the persistence of bands like IQ against the odds put against the genre, e.g. the heckling  by the mainstream music press and radio in the UK. Or transplantation of UK bands to the USA (and Japan) where there was relatively greater tolerance and indeed money to keep going. OR the appearance of the Scandanavian  prog scene evolving out of the likes of Anglagrad.. Not simple at all.

Anglagard is pure Symphonic, doesn't have that 80's sound of Neo or the mixture of elements from New Wave, New Age, AOR, etc, as a fact, Anglagard was so Symphonic that they refused to use any instrument not availlable in 1974.

Neo Prog tends to be less elaborate than Symphonic and Anglagard is much more elaborate than most Symphonic bands

Originally posted by Starhammer Starhammer wrote:

Anglagard isn't even that much of a well known band in PA.

Are you sure?

Anglagard has one album in the top 15, above albums as Fragile or Larks Tongues in Aspic.

There are 49 threads about Anglagard, 17 about Hybris , 6 about Epilog and 1 about Buried Alive; this means at least 73 threads about Anglagard...Very few bands achieve this.

So don't tell me they are not well known, few people here don't know Anglagard, despite they only released 2 studio albums.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 14:14
Anglagard isn't even that much of a well known band in PA.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 10:35
Prog went back underground  but not a s a dead body of music. Anglagard are definitely neo.prog to my ear, but too obscure to be responsible  especially with a limited body of recordings for a 'rebirth' or perhaps more realistically, reappearance of prog above ground. You have to look towards the persistence of bands like IQ against the odds put against the genre, e.g. the heckling  by the mainstream music press and radio in the UK. Or transplantation of UK bands to the USA (and Japan) where there was relatively greater tolerance and indeed money to keep going. OR the appearance of the Scandanavian  prog scene evolving out of the likes of Anglagrad.. Not simple at all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 10:23
Originally posted by caretaker caretaker wrote:

To answer the question I would say no. But I do like Anglagard. Prog is an era unto itself like the different periods of classical music. It never died so it  doesn't need to be reborn.

Never died, but was agonizing.

The original bands changed their sound to some sort of POP with Proggy leanings, Neo Prog was never able to recapture the strength and originality of the pioneers and lets be honest, nobody dared (with a few exceptions) to release material as strong and radical as the one of the early 70's.

But then came the Swedish Art Rock Society (1991), and impulsed bands Like Anglagard, Par Lindh Project, Anekdoten, etc, who took the risk to release  material even more elaborate than the one of the 70's with success............So yes, it was a rebirth of the genre in it's original form, even when Progressive Rock never fully died before..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 09:04
Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

There was a rebirth?
Okay, I know where you are going with this but, the underground prog scene in Europe at the time of the Anglagard release was surfacing a little more to American fans. I mean it seemed that way and it may not be true. ELP'S Black Moon was a kind of statement to the media that prog could be reborn to everyone in the world as opposed to the hush hush underground world that takes itself too seriously and doesn't remember the days when prog was promoted to all classes of people. It;s a shame really because even fans of top 40 bubblegum yukos took prog seriously because it was being promoted.LOL In the end, it remained as underground with 3 Nearfest gigs a year and silly degrading picnic concerts. There is no money in that and if anyone deserves to make money, it would be in fact be the underground prog people who live off peanutbutter and jelly sandwiches for the sake of art.Shocked

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 07:03
To answer the question I would say no. But I do like Anglagard. Prog is an era unto itself like the different periods of classical music. It never died so it  doesn't need to be reborn.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 06:26
Prog died?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 01:07
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 01:06
Sick'em Walt.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 00:58
Originally posted by richardh richardh wrote:

The ninties saw a  general shift in attitude about music. Proper bands that could play their own instruments came back into vogue basically because people got fed up with the prefrabicated over produced bullsh*t that littered the eighties music scene. Nirvana and Oasis became massive in the 90's showing this shift as well as anything.
The most important band to me in the British rock scene was Mansun who produced one of the best albums of the decade with Attack Of The Grey Lantern including more than a few nods to progressive rock. Radiohead also emerged and were actually tagged 'prog rock' in some quarters. It was a safe time for prog bands too emerge from the closet properly and with a proper sense of pride about what they were doing. There was also too some extent a positive re-evaluation of progressive rock. It was just a very healthy decade for music (despite what Walter may think otherwiseWink)


That atrocious narrative deserves to be shot in the back of the head with a Colt 45. Its absolute rubbish. The 1980s were the last decade that offered modernist innovation, for it was a time where faith in the promise of technological achievement allowed new sounds to develop thanks to the digital revolution. The 90s were the beginning of the end, a dark age when banal slackers recycled old ideas and sold them as new. Oasis and Nirvana and Anglagard? Give me a break. None of these idiots ever came up with an idea that wasn't already done (in a superior fashion) before 1989. They had no sense of fun or originality; dour derisive and derivative, their crimes against culture should be prosecuted by all nations.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 25 2010 at 00:52
There was a rebirth?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2010 at 22:25
The Swedish Art Rock Society was the reason......Anglagard was the symbol of the rebirth.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2010 at 22:21
I think the influence would have been a lot bigger if the internet was a factor then. A huge album in my opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2010 at 21:30
Anglagard was an important band in the 90's scene (sometimes called third wave).  Sweden was important to that.

 I'd cite the Swedish Art Rock Society, founded in '91, which sought to restore the traits of classic progressive rock, and had Par Lindh as chairman. That was important and played a part in the rise of a neo-classic Prog scene that got going in Sweden, and spread.  Bands such as Par Lindh Project (Par Lindh being chairman), Anekdoten, and Anglagard  were spring-boarded, to quite an extent, due to the foundation of the Swedish Art Rock Society's values which was concerned with bringing back qualities/ spirit of classic progressive rock, and set out to do so, but progressive rock never ceased to exist.  I guess they helped to popularise more retro prog in a way (or neo-classic prog revival).  And then Sweden's The Flower Kings quickly followed, which is obviously retro.

Par Lindh and the Swedish Art Rock Society were important to the third wave.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2010 at 20:43
nope
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
i dont see anglagard as being at all influential in the modern scene wich seems to not have gone in the symphonic direction at all... so no, not at all.
 
that being sayed i really enjoy anglagard
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 24 2010 at 20:24
I don't think so, even though their first album is great.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2010 at 12:11
There was no need for it to be reborn, because it never died in the first place.

Having said that, Hybris is a stunning album.
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