Marillion vs. Porcupine Tree (two songs)

I vote Forgotten Sons.

Sorry, I like PT but I find TSMS boring.

King Crimson776 wrote: LSDisease wrote: Still 8 deranged jackasses voted for PT. This place is becoming too weird.  I'd get it if we were talking about Kayo Dot or some sh*t, but PT is totally prog, and has been one the most popular bands in the style for years now. I like Marillion but they are too pop to be a first tier band (lyrically one of the best though).

It's not that level man. It's like choosing Citroen over Ferrari. I really don't get it. Porcupine Tree is some C-level prog band that not recorded an album until 1991and it's treated better than Marillion. Probably very young people voted in this poll.

Forgotten Sons = excellent
The Sky Moves Sideways = Brilliant (even if it's a bit derivative)

Say anything you want, facts are facts

King Crimson776 wrote: Horizons wrote: When i look at Neo-prog, you bet.  Are you using neo-prog to mean post-70's symphonic, or specifically (correctly) the cleaner, more pop-oriented sound of Marillion, Pendragon etc.? It's not the most staggeringly original style around, of course, but the distinction is totally obvious. Also, here, I'll make it clear what I mean about crossover. In your "prog + pop", both the prog and pop are vague. Genres (especially subgenres) need to have a generally unified sound.

Horizons wrote: When i look at Neo-prog, you bet.

Are you using neo-prog to mean post-70's symphonic, or specifically (correctly) the cleaner, more pop-oriented sound of Marillion, Pendragon etc.? It's not the most staggeringly original style around, of course, but the distinction is totally obvious.

Also, here, I'll make it clear what I mean about crossover. In your "prog + pop", both the prog and pop are vague. Genres (especially subgenres) need to have a generally unified sound.


Edited by King Crimson776 - July 30 2014 at 23:13

King Crimson776 wrote: Horizons wrote: Crossover is pop+prog Neo is 70's prog I don't see your argument.  You evidently don't see much of anything.

genbanks wrote: King Crimson776 wrote: I'm not calling symphonic too poppy (if that's what you're saying, I can't quite tell). Just read what you wrote. And you are still doing this. Now you say symph is not TOO POPPY which seems to mean that it is poppy.

I get that you're esl but I'm not saying anything hard to understand. I was saying that neo is mainly a more poppy version of symphonic, never that symphonic itself is poppy.

King Crimson776 wrote: I'm not calling symphonic too poppy (if that's what you're saying, I can't quite tell).

Just read what you wrote. And you are still doing this. Now you say symph is not TOO POPPY which seems to mean that it is poppy.

I'm not calling symphonic too poppy (if that's what you're saying, I can't quite tell). In fact, I'm not even calling neo too poppy. Sometimes that's exactly what I want. I don't think poppy bands can ever be the best though.

I thought it was self-evident but basically, neo is not as complex as symphonic or other prog subgenres. It has more standard song forms, and is therefore closer to pop music. It's about as complex as prog metal I guess (prog metal is just 'busy', not actually complex).