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Tom Ozric

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Posted: August 31 2015 at 03:41

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come back Amy Grant...now that was one smokin' babe..

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Posted: August 31 2015 at 02:22

freyacat wrote:

I do not like the CPR label, however.

By my opinion label CPR can to be useful for christian listeners as additional information on album cover (similar to ECO label on some products): it is prog and lyrics is OK from christian point of view

But if christian artists and producents overshoot it and christian message will be more significant then prog music, in short time label CPR can to be warning for all

Edited by progresssaurus - August 31 2015 at 03:31

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Posted: August 31 2015 at 02:09

One of the great things about progressive rock is that it breaks out of the musical forms which limit you to sex, drugs, and rock n roll as your lyrical subject matter.

It's ambitious music on a grand scale, and it needs ambitious themes on a grand scale. Life, the Universe, and Everything. It's no surprise that religious themes have been part of it from the beginning.

King Crimson is a synonym for the devil. Yes tackled the Buddha with "Close to the Edge," the New Testament with "And You and I," and took Hindu inspiration for "Tales from Topographic Oceans."

Genesis did a surrealist Christian apocalypse in "Supper's Ready," then drew the Christ-image of the Lamb into an epic journey of personal death and resurrection in their longest album. As has been mentioned, Kansas would repeatedly visit religious themes, until Steve Walsh got sick of it.

Can Christian music be instrumental? Can Hindu music be Mahavishnu Orchestra?

I do not like the CPR label, however. It seems like as soon as you label music as intentionally religious, you suddenly are playing with one hand tied behind your back. Neal Morse made much better Christian music in Spock's Beard than he ever did on his own, because he had to restrain his instinct to be a preacher.

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Posted: August 31 2015 at 02:07

I have heard of Christian Rock long before Christian Prog. I think I have also an album of Christian Rock bought in the 90s but I don't remember the band name. For what I remember it was just about lyrics, there was nothing different from other 90s rock bands in the music.

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Posted: August 31 2015 at 02:04

Badabec wrote:

If it is well done, I'll listen to it, may it be christian, hindu, pagan or whatever. Back to the the topic: I listen to Prog Rock at least for ten years and I have never ever heard that CPR-term-thing. Sounds a little bit pathetic...

I am atheist and I not need this term, but I see and respect, that for christians can to be some lyrics problematic or that they yearns form christian themes

http://www.cprogrock.com/index.html

Music = Any progressive rock (without distinction in subgenre) +

Lyrics = Any christian or not anti-christian themes (without distinction sub-denomination)

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 17:48

If it is well done, I'll listen to it, may it be christian, hindu, pagan or whatever. Back to the the topic: I listen to Prog Rock at least for ten years and I have never ever heard that CPR-term-thing. Sounds a little bit pathetic...

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 16:19

Like any other music...some of it is good and some of it is not good.

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 16:13

O666 wrote:

Hi.

I saw Christian Prog category in some of music sites and blogs. I really want to know what is this? Is it a musical style? Is this about lyrics? or musicians? or listeners? What is definition of CPR? Thanks

It's about the lyrics mostly I suspect. For those who have a strong religious belief, it may be important for them to buy music with the right kind of lyrics, at least in earlier days the christian music/books/games etc. scene was a distinct, separate and often commercially interesting marketplace. I'd guess that Christian prog is a better tag to be given than, say, gospel. In my youth all music with Christian lyrics were sorted under the gospel tag in the music stores, no matter what style it was. Unless it was a successful mainstream artist of the kind that hit the top 100 sales charts on a regular basis of course.

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 16:07

There are sooooo many "religious" lyrics, in not just christian music but in rock in general, why is it such big deal. Are people afraid they're being subjected to subterfuge and may inadvertently be turned into...GASP, a christian? Who care what the influence is for lyrics anyway. If the song is good it's good. Is ELP's version of Jerusalem not to be listened to because it's religious? (insert snide comments about why you don't listen to ELP here). But really, some religious lyrics are sappy and that detracts from the song, others are intelligent and enhance the song. I don't believe you can really generalize on christian or religious themes.

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 16:05

A subgenre Christian Prog aka CPR does not exist as such. It is the utmost form of crap to define a subgenre by the lyrics or the faith or religion of the believers. OK, a small minority of Christian musicians create prog music with Christian themes in their lyrical content, such as Neal Morse or Iona, or some lesser known bands like Saviour Machine, Ajalon or Flagship, but that does not put them in a bogus subgenre like "Christian Prog". Yikes!

Edited by someone_else - August 30 2015 at 16:05

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:47

Slartibartfast wrote:

O666 wrote:

IMO its can't be a genre or anything!! How can I recognize religion of music players?! You said " Although Christian music can be instrumental " HOW?

By the title of the piece or by the music being inspired by Christian religious belief. I hope this isn't too difficult of a concept for you to understand...

I got your point from your first post. I think my reply to your post is a mistake from me. IMO this isn't enough for make a " Genre ". With this P.O.V we can make too many sub genres.

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:32

Honestly I don't know what is it?! I don't have an answer for my question to try to challenge about that!! I saw that in some (or many) of sites and blogs (as I said before).

I think some of them (sites and blogs guys) "Create" or "Generate" CPR definition and category but I can't reach to this definition. Maybe I can't understand them.

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:26

O666 wrote:

IMO its can't be a genre or anything!! How can I recognize religion of music players?! You said " Although Christian music can be instrumental " HOW?

By the title of the piece or by the music being inspired by Christian religious belief. I hope this isn't too difficult of a concept for you to understand...

Edited by Slartibartfast - August 30 2015 at 15:28

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:25

micky wrote:

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come back Amy Grant...now that was one smokin' babe.. I didn't mind knowing I was going to hell when 'appreciating' her
where are you when music needs you... hell.. I'd even settle for a Stryper reunion!!

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 15:21

The Bearded Bard wrote:

O666 wrote:

What is your opinion about CPR? Honestly this was confused me over 1 year !!

Well, as a non-Christian I try to say as well clear of anything with Christian lyrics as I can, so I can't really say I have an opinion abut it, at least not a well-informed one. I do enjoy some 70's Kansas from time to time though, so if there's some Christian lyrics there I can't say it bothers me much (to be honest I haven't paid much attention to their lyrics).

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 14:59

They are plenty of Christian bands in RPI : Barabba, Messaggio 73, Quel giono di uve rosse ... etc.

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 14:42

It's probably a genre covertly started by Neil Morse.

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 14:41

The Danielson are not exactly prog, but not so far from related prog. And they are known as a christian band.

Danielson Famile - The Lord's Rest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxZYRXy3yFM

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 14:26

I understand "Christian prog" to mean prog with Christian lyrics or concepts, such as much of Neal Morse's solo works, or Iona.

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Posted: August 30 2015 at 13:44

god help us all...

come back Amy Grant...now that was one smokin' babe.. I didn't mind knowing I was going to hell when 'appreciating' her
where are you when music needs you... hell.. I'd even settle for a Stryper reunion!!

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What is "Christian Prog or CPR" ?

Danielson Famile - The Lord's Resthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxZYRXy3yFM

Danielson Famile - The Lord's Rest

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