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Dean 
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 Posted: January 18 2014 at 03:49 |
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As Ludwig means "famed warrior"... he becomes "famous warrior from the beet gardens" .
  ... or beer gardens.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: January 18 2014 at 03:16 |
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Van Beethoven
"Van" is Dutch/Flemish for "from" "Beet" is a "biet", which is, well the Dutch word for a "beet"  "Hoven" is the plural from "hof", which is the Dutch word for "garden" So, the famous composer Ludwig van Beethoven is actually: Ludwig from the beet gardens
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Dean
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Posted: January 18 2014 at 01:55 |
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Perhaps it's an error only German and Dutch speakers make.
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 18 2014 at 01:36 |
In either case, my point is proven to my colleagues... Even music fans make this rather-common mistake... And the phonetic difference between Van and Von in the thick of a conversation is not that big either.. so this point hasn't arised before. In our case, it's the Italian colleagues' more arduous pronounciation that made my Flemish colleague want to correct him (wrongly as it turns out to his own Flemish pride) anyway, thanks to everyone for participating  Edited by Sean Trane - January 18 2014 at 01:43 |
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The T
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 17:06 |
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Not such a word in the Deutsche language
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 17:06 |
well my bad habit about Ludwig's moniker dates when I was a teen... and nobody ever thought to actually look it up in a dictionary or encyclopedia... Being 15 years older than you , we didn't have Google, smartphones or laptops (or Wiki, FTM) at our whimsical disposal back then |
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Dean
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 16:57 |
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Like Teo, I'm surprised so many thought it was von, (is there a German word "hoven"?)
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The T
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 16:38 |
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To be honest, in my 35 years of age, about 27 of them listening and reading about classical music, I have never, NOT ONCE, seen good Ludwig's last name used with "Von".
Edit: actually, I have, but normally in quite non-musical websites Edited by The T - January 17 2014 at 16:38 |
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Sean Trane
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 16:28 |
Yess, he's of Flemish origins from his grandfather... The point was when this arose at work, both my Flemish colleague and my other German colleague and I (half-Begian myself)always thought it was Von Beethoven... and I'm pretty sure that most of my friends in Toronto said Von as well... I take it that it's mainly because he was of German birth (Bonn, actually) that everybody assumes it's Von instead of Van... but I'm sort of relieved that a big part of music fans are also in the wrong about this ... It's actually an Italian colleague that proved us all wrong... |
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The T
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 16:24 |
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Van. Always was, always will.
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dr wu23
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 14:57 |
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I believe his friends called him Van The Man...........
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One does nothing yet nothing is left undone.
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HemispheresOfXanadu
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 14:45 |
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Morrison.
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@ProgFollower on Twitter. Tweet me muzak.
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someone_else
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 14:30 |
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FAQ
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timothy leary
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 12:04 |
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QEF
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Dean
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 11:58 |
QED
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 11:34 |
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Suv
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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The Bearded Bard
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 11:04 |
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Van?
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HolyMoly
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 09:43 |
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chopper
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 09:17 |
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It must surely be Van otherwise the joke in the name of the band "Camper Van Beethoven" wouldn't have worked.
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someone_else
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Posted: January 17 2014 at 03:46 |
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As far as I have known for the last 45 years it is "Van Beethoven". The name is of Flemish origin, amirite?
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