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Bonnek 
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 Posted: April 16 2011 at 08:08 |
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Too bad there isn't a "both equally" option.
But if I have to choose it's JT, for Stand Up, Benefit and TaaB mainly.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 16 2011 at 08:05 |
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^That's rich coming from Ian Anderson.
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bucka001
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Posted: April 16 2011 at 07:54 |
 dr prog wrote:
I reckon most people would get into prog after enough listening but most people have pretty simple/dumb taste in music. But in the end they would wake up to how good prog is after enough listening. |
Actually, Ian Anderson might disagree with you about prog (and he certainly doesn't seem to respect Gabriel-era Genesis).
Anderson from the new Classic Rock Presents Prog: "Prog became a bit of a joke, really. Perhaps the archetpal prog rock bands were the spaghetti noodlers like Yes and ELP, who could take a good idea and make it last for days! Some of it was silly, when you think about Peter Gabriel dressed a giant sunflower. It was ridiculous."
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Steven Brodziak
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Posted: April 14 2011 at 02:02 |
dr prog wrote:
Steven Brodziak wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Genesis.
Genesis are ina lot of polls recently. |
Others just can't accept that they were the best prog band ever. Great feeling, stellar instrumentation (of old).
So they throw everyone at them that they can. Mostly to tout their own favorite.
Love Tull, Genesis is my pick.
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I definately wouldn't consider gabriel era genesis the best. There are things about the band which I would gaurantee would hold them back if most people got into 70s prog. I reckon most people would get into prog after enough listening but most people have pretty simple/dumb taste in music. But in the end they would wake up to how good prog is after enough listening. I'm very confident they would rate tull higher than genesis in the end though. Tull remasters are full of great value. Even the remaster of Warchild compares pretty similarly to The lamb even if the original album wasn't that strong. Both from 1974 and both pretty much double album length. Both have strong and weak tracks. I love those bonus tracks on Warchild the most on the cd. They are the songs that should have been on the soundtrack in the first place, not those poppy songs like bungle, third hoorah, sealion, 2 fingers.
I think if someone had these releases of both bands i'd think tull would still come out of top.
TAAB-excellent
LITP-excellent
Bursting out-very good
SFTW remaster-very good
Heavy horses remaster-very good
Stormwatch remaster-fairly good album, but very good year in studio(bonus tracks really add quality)
Warchild remaster-decent soundtrack, but very good year in studio(7 bonus tracks are among 10 best songs)
Benefit remaster-fairly good album, but very good year in studio(teacher and witches promise are excellent)
APP-pretty good album
Foxtrot-very good
Trespass-very good
The lamb-very good although i can't stand NYC and 2nd half of title song
Wind and wuthering-very good
Trick of the tail-very good
Selling england-pretty good
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Not trying to be short but I have limited time. I would have included "Stand Up". Some very very nice songs on there. I think I'd actually rate some of the Tull higher than you did, of course I do not agree with your Genesis rating. You can tell by the night fires where Rael has been. Also anything less than excellent on Trespass.......Like I said and most have here, Love Tull. Consistant for the most part. Have you heard "A Little Light Music"? 1992 live, awesome stuff.
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Well, there it is. (Amadeus)
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LateralMe
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Posted: April 13 2011 at 15:03 |
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Genesis takes it for me! I do enjoy Jethro Tull though.
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A Flower!?
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Progist
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Posted: April 13 2011 at 12:10 |
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Genesis! I only like them up to Wind & Wuthering though, I mean, what was the point in Genesis sans Gabriel & Hackett? Tull would come reasonable close though, behind VDGG.
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dr prog
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Posted: April 12 2011 at 22:36 |
Steven Brodziak wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Genesis.
Genesis are ina lot of polls recently. |
Others just can't accept that they were the best prog band ever. Great feeling, stellar instrumentation (of old).
So they throw everyone at them that they can. Mostly to tout their own favorite.
Love Tull, Genesis is my pick.
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I definately wouldn't consider gabriel era genesis the best. There are things about the band which I would gaurantee would hold them back if most people got into 70s prog. I reckon most people would get into prog after enough listening but most people have pretty simple/dumb taste in music. But in the end they would wake up to how good prog is after enough listening. I'm very confident they would rate tull higher than genesis in the end though. Tull remasters are full of great value. Even the remaster of Warchild compares pretty similarly to The lamb even if the original album wasn't that strong. Both from 1974 and both pretty much double album length. Both have strong and weak tracks. I love those bonus tracks on Warchild the most on the cd. They are the songs that should have been on the soundtrack in the first place, not those poppy songs like bungle, third hoorah, sealion, 2 fingers.
I think if someone had these releases of both bands i'd think tull would still come out of top.
TAAB-excellent
LITP-excellent
Bursting out-very good
SFTW remaster-very good
Heavy horses remaster-very good
Stormwatch remaster-fairly good album, but very good year in studio(bonus tracks really add quality)
Warchild remaster-decent soundtrack, but very good year in studio(7 bonus tracks are among 10 best songs)
Benefit remaster-fairly good album, but very good year in studio(teacher and witches promise are excellent)
APP-pretty good album
Foxtrot-very good
Trespass-very good
The lamb-very good although i can't stand NYC and 2nd half of title song
Wind and wuthering-very good
Trick of the tail-very good
Selling england-pretty good
Edited by dr prog - April 12 2011 at 22:55
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Steven Brodziak
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Posted: April 12 2011 at 21:18 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Genesis.
Genesis are ina lot of polls recently. |
Others just can't accept that they were the best prog band ever. Great feeling, stellar instrumentation (of old).
So they throw everyone at them that they can. Mostly to tout their own favorite.
Love Tull, Genesis is my pick.
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Well, there it is. (Amadeus)
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Moogtron III
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Posted: April 12 2011 at 07:27 |
Genesis for me. I like all of their '70's albums, plus some later stuff as well. I appreciate Jethro Tull and I agree that they're one of the best prog bands, but I like Genesis much more.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 12 2011 at 07:17 |
Genesis.
Genesis are ina lot of polls recently.
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BarryGlibb
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Posted: April 12 2011 at 07:00 |
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What hope would Tull have in a Genesis-laden appreciators site like PA?
But JT get my vote by a country mile.
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TheLionOfPrague
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Posted: April 11 2011 at 15:30 |
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They're my favorite prog bands after Pink Floyd, but I prefer Jethro a bit. "Thick As A Brick" is just perfect.
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I shook my head and smiled a whisper knowing all about the place
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digdug
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Posted: April 11 2011 at 10:45 |
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love both.....voted Tull
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Prog On!
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zbida
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Posted: April 11 2011 at 02:35 |
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Respects for Jethro Tull, vote for Genesis.
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dr prog
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Posted: April 10 2011 at 20:50 |
Tull were definately better. If you are young, go out and get all the remasters. Bonus tracks are awesome and they definately make up for albums tracks which were not as good but were chosen for the album for some reason or another. After many listens you work out which are your fave songs and the bonus tracks are usually amongst the top 10 songs on each remaster. It's fun programming the songs in a certain order and playing the best 10-12 songs on the cd including the bonus tracks. Tull have an excellent trilogy of remasters:
songs from the wood-quality folk prog
heavy horses-more quality folk prog
stormwatch-strong bonus tracks make this good album into a really strong cd
then they have the 3 monsters:
thick as a brick-classic prog
a passion play-almost classic prog
living in the past-my fave tull release
and these 2 are probably the best value remasters of all time
warchild-the 7 bonus tracks are the best songs on the remaster mainly. Very good remaster
benefit-some classic tunes, expecially the bonus tracks
As for genesis, trespass and foxtrot are pretty cool. Nursery cryme is a bit dull. The lamb and Selling England have their faults but they are cool too. Not really a gabriel fan. Doesn't have a very good voice and some of his lyrics are cringeworthy. I liked what Genesis were doing in Wuthering and Trick. They gained a cleaner sound. I'd rank Garbriel era among the top 10 bands from 1970-75 probably, but the combination of Hacketts depressing guitar sound, Gabriels squeely rough voice and Banks occasional strange sounds prevent Genesis from being among my top 5 bands. With so many good bands in the 70s, I've always found it weird that bands such as genesis and crimson are ranked at the very top. Top 10 is understandable 
Edited by dr prog - April 11 2011 at 02:39
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hobocamp
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 22:44 |
akaBona wrote:
this is a tough one. APP and TAAB are terrific albums and rest of JT to up to Heavy Horses are fine too.Genesis masterpieces are from Tresspas to LAmb, and though no Genesis album can beat APP, I'll vote Genesis.
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Pretty much this.
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The Dark Elf
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 19:41 |
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Tull. Their 12 original releases, from This Was to Storm Watch, far outweigh the output of Genesis, particularly the relatively short period when they actually cared about their music.
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...a vigorous circular motion hitherto unknown to the people of this area, but destined
to take the place of the mud shark in your mythology...
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Lark the Starless
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 15:54 |
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Genesis
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b_olariu
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 15:27 |
Jethro Tull 
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MFP
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Posted: April 09 2011 at 12:11 |
Zargus wrote:
Jethro Tull, caus they rock harder and got more good albums. |
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