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SteveG 
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Joined: April 11 2014 Location: Kyiv In Spirit Status: Offline Points: 20526 |
 Posted: January 30 2015 at 12:17 |
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Angelo
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13240 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 12:16 |
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Takes getting used to as well - as far as user-friendliness is concerned there's a lot to gain on music sites.
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ISKC Rock Radio
I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
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Angelo
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13240 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 12:15 |
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Oh yes... only this afternoon I came across 3 screens full of calculations in a single post by you. The math behind the rating/review balance was your thing in this case.
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ISKC Rock Radio
I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 12:12 |
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Why this instead of the more informative post you subsequently deleted? It is relevant for many reasons, least of all is the pedestrian speed in which things happen around here. 2008 is like yesterday in PA years, and frankly, aside from a minor change in the collaborator weighting nothing much else has changed in rating and reviewing system, or the manner in which fan-bias manipulation occurs, or the look and feel of the site in general since 2008.
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earlyprog
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Neo / PSIKE / Heavy Teams Joined: March 05 2006 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 2104 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 11:59 |
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Rednight
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Joined: January 18 2014 Location: Mar Vista, CA Status: Offline Points: 4807 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 10:35 |
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  "Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ... "Edited by Rednight - January 30 2015 at 10:39 |
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HolyMoly
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Retired Admin Joined: April 01 2009 Location: Atlanta Status: Offline Points: 26133 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 08:23 |
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I only skimmed the article, but it appears to be a well reasoned analysis, touching on important features that can fairly assess the value of a site. I didn't see anything at first that I really disagreed with. I definitely empathized with the constructive criticism that PA can be a bit confusing to the first time visitor - because I remember how long it took me to "get" this site. Its design is not optimal and finding stuff can be difficult. I'm no web designer so I don't know how I would improve it, but as a user I can relate. Because of this, I've always tried to give newbies the benefit of the doubt when they post things in the wrong forum or post questionable reviews (for example, when I first started writing reviews, I didn't know that anyone would actually read it unless they were specifically searching for reviews by that artist... I didn't know about the "front page").
PA does have all its bases covered: detailed writeups of policies, guidelines, genre definitions, etc, and all the links work and so on... but it's not the most user-friendly site I've come across, and it does take a while to learn the ropes. Not sure how RYM sizes up in this regard because I don't use that site. Edited by HolyMoly - January 30 2015 at 08:28 |
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Guldbamsen
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Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23098 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 08:14 |
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I agree a 100% with that last bit Dean
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 08:10 |
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...all that aside and ...
 ...an interesting article and quite in depth considering the authors' analysis was conducted from outside the system as it were. We can never eradicate fan-biased attempts at album ranking manipulation from a system where anyone can submit a rating and/or review, but from my lengthy and extensive experience in dealing with manipulation and alleged cases of manipulation I don't believe that it is as harmful as many people think it is given the measures we have to contain and regulate it. During my time as an Admin I was as much concerned by the over-reaction to it as I was by the deliberate manipulation itself. Unfortunately, dealing with the perception that fan-bias is detrimental to an album is a lot harder.
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aapatsos
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: November 11 2005 Location: Manchester, UK Status: Offline Points: 9226 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 07:52 |
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 If we can't fix this in the software then surely a link to this thread is an easy thing to do... Edited by aapatsos - January 30 2015 at 07:53 |
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Dean
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Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 07:32 |
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Music is not confined by arbitrary lines on a map.
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Kati
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Joined: September 10 2010 Location: Earth Status: Offline Points: 6253 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 07:31 |
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Thank you, Gerinski, I was just thinking of you and posted a comment at the same time too to you. Spooky
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Gerinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5128 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 07:27 |
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Nice of you to find and post this Sonia.
In all honesty though, I have no idea what was the purpose or scale of this article, it's written as if it was some sort of thesis or scientific paper but the contents is pretty poor, it's hardly anything beyond a descriptive article with some minimum of background search work. The introduction summary says "Some suggestions are provided to issue the reliability and fairness of individual reviews" which I would assume could be its most interesting output, but it doesn't actually provide any meaningful suggestions to address that issue. If this was intending to serve some serious purpose and I was their mentor I would demand quite much more from them than this.
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Guldbamsen
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Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23098 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 06:49 |
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Thanks you guys!!
Instant bookmark right there  It would however be cool if we had a feature on the frontpage that did all of this. A link that took you to listing by country. Maybe I can persuade Max. |
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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Gerinski
Prog Reviewer
Joined: February 10 2010 Location: Barcelona Spain Status: Offline Points: 5128 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 06:45 |
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Angelo
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Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin Joined: May 07 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13240 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 06:43 |
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That feature exists (in a slightly limited form). Go to Top PA Albums from the main page, and change the search settings to 250 albums and a specific country, and it will at least get you the 250 albums for that country. Here are the 38 for Denmark as prove :)
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ISKC Rock Radio
I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
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paganinio
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Joined: November 07 2008 Status: Offline Points: 1327 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 06:20 |
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One thing is for certain:
Wish You Were Here (along with Animals, Meddle, and other Floyd albums) is hailed as the classic on both sites. Pink Floyd is hailed as the prog band. And that Pink Floyd RULES. |
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Argonaught
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Joined: June 04 2012 Location: Virginia Status: Offline Points: 1413 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 05:18 |
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Thank you, Fripp, for our daily Prog (Red 39:54)
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micky
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 02 2005 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 46828 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 05:14 |
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hah. I can claim the process was not an easy one hahaha.
Raff's suggestion of the term 'Eclectic' was what we when with... but IIRC the word 'eclectic' was not without a LOT of discussion and disagreements. That was a hard one to deal with, the hardest of the three by far (and was definined and managed magnificiently by Vic and his later crew) because unlike the other two we created... there were not defining characteristics. It was one definited in a way by the LACK of them. I know Vic always disgreed with me but I thought instead of one large dumping ground.. we created one smaller one. If it doesn't x y or z... then it must be 'eclectic'. Just like Art Rock had been handled by the site for years, just at a vaster larger scale haha |
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The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip
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Raff
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: July 29 2005 Location: None Status: Offline Points: 24392 |
Posted: January 30 2015 at 05:00 |
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Sorry, I did come up with the WORD, not the definition we have here on the site. Actually, I did not have a hand in writing any of the three former Art Rock definitions. But I claim credit for the word, and I believe there are a few people who can vouch for that. |
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