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Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

^ Confused  Don't be ridiculous! Mozart was a Maoist!

And here I thought he was a hedonist.  
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btw...I agree with your take on TAAB.


“Monty Python lampooned the British way of life,” says Anderson. “Yet did it in such a way that made us all laugh while celebrating it. To me, that’s what we as a band did on Thick As A Brick. We were spoofing the idea of the concept album, but in a fun way that didn’t totally mock it.”


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Originally posted by moshkito moshkito wrote:


The one thing I would FORCE is that on that list you have to have 250 ARTISTS ... not albums ... thus we know that GENESIS would be there, but we would not be having these powwow's about these albums ... heck, are we such idiots as to have to select a Peter Hammill album and then a VdGG album? That person needs a visit from Nurse Ratchet in their dreams!


I disagree. That's not the point of the top 250. It is the highest rated ALBUMS by members of PA. I think everyone takes this stuff too seriously and has insecurity issues when they don't like a highly rated album or their precious obscurity isn't on it. It's just a reflection of how people feel!

Nothing wrong with adding other lists though. A top 250 artists page would be cool indeed.

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^ Confused  Don't be ridiculous! Mozart was a Maoist!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote moshkito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 16 2019 at 08:44
Originally posted by SteveG SteveG wrote:

As a prog album TAAB is overrated. As a spoof on a prog album it's a f**king masterpiece. Well done Ian.

I like the album ... it just bothers me, these discussions almost 50 years later ... we might as well go around calling Mozart a communist now!
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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

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 I doubt if one single person agrees with the top 250 list. I surely don't. Foxtrot and Nursery Crime wouldn't even make my top 1000 albums much less top 20.


Same.

The one thing I would FORCE is that on that list you have to have 250 ARTISTS ... not albums ... thus we know that GENESIS would be there, but we would not be having these powwow's about these albums ... heck, are we such idiots as to have to select a Peter Hammill album and then a VdGG album? That person needs a visit from Nurse Ratchet in their dreams!

Now, specifying that GENESIS is better than YES or vice versa is actually a much better discussion, because you have to include their listing of albums, and all of a sudden, guess what you find? Some progressive folks only listened to 3 or 4 GENESIS albums, and some YES folks only listened to 3 of their albums, and they are voting full force! 

Oh well ... I guess a commercial society has to have these numbers so the folks know what to buy!
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As a prog album TAAB is overrated. As a spoof on a prog album it's a f**king masterpiece. Well done Ian.
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

mini rant here

I will never understand why this album is so highly rated, its ranked at number 3. That means that its supposed to be better than Wish you were Here, Court of the Crimson King, Foxtrot, Animals, Red, Pawn Hearts, and several other legendary prog albums. Its not a bad album or anything but to me its not even in the same league as most the top 50. Every other album in we'll say the top 20, has awesome soaring highs. TAAB is filled with several forced transitions and I just cant fathom how it could be top 3. 4 Star album

Please tell me i'm not alone in this

Since i'm speaking of this, I'll also throw in that I think Moving Pictures is overrated on PA, certainly not better than Hemispheres or Farewell to Kings. Side one is very very good, but side two is mostly quite dull specifically the last two tracks.
It's called having different tastes, I'm with you on Moving Pictures, for me every album preceding it is better but that's the way it goes, others think differently.
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I found that Jethro Tull, aside from Aqualung, never really did anything for me for a long time. I thought they were overrated as well. But by spending more time with a couple albums, I grew to appreciate their idiosyncratic style to the point where I often crave it over my more traditional prog favs. To me they have a unique and personal style that fits well with good fantasy novels and adventures of the imagination. Thick As A Brick does this especially well by fostering many great melodies and hooks under the umbrella of one epic piece, never losing its sense of direction and flow.

However, I do prefer no small number of other prog records to it. It wouldn't make my personal top 10. 
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Originally posted by dougmcauliffe dougmcauliffe wrote:

mini rant here

I will never understand why this album is so highly rated, its ranked at number 3. That means that its supposed to be better than Wish you were Here, Court of the Crimson King, Foxtrot, Animals, Red, Pawn Hearts, and several other legendary prog albums. Its not a bad album or anything but to me its not even in the same league as most the top 50. Every other album in we'll say the top 20, has awesome soaring highs. TAAB is filled with several forced transitions and I just cant fathom how it could be top 3. 4 Star album

Please tell me i'm not alone in this

Since i'm speaking of this, I'll also throw in that I think Moving Pictures is overrated on PA, certainly not better than Hemispheres or Farewell to Kings. Side one is very very good, but side two is mostly quite dull specifically the last two tracks.
 
I rate it better than all those albums. The compositions are just first class.
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

my funeral will have "The Goldberg Variations" played by Glenn Gould (his first recording of them)

Good choice but I've already told the undertaker that "Heart Of The Sunrise" will be my exit music.
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OP:  Yes!

Great start, but then it does go on so. 

I'm told it had lyrics--and pulls the wool over the world in a cheeky kind of way--but those aren't the kind of things that draw me into music. It's the music for me, baby, the music! (And a nice cor anglais, accordion, Prophet 5, or ChapmanStick doesn't hurt, either!) 
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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

to fully understand TAAB you have to have the original newspaper album cover and read it completely, down to the tiniest ad and including doing the join-the-dots to see who Fluffy the duck is talking to. you will then understand that the album is a brilliant gigantic hoax


That's the beauty of this mother of all concept albumStar: it's a spoof Clownabout a complete hoax Evil Smile and it's absolutely hilarious Tongue that it wrinkles the serious proggers Pig

That's at least worth 5 clappies
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Frenetic Zetetic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 15 2019 at 03:01
You guys/gals...what if TAAB is perfectly rated as is...?

THEN what do we do?! Cool LOL

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Originally posted by siLLy puPPy siLLy puPPy wrote:

^ i'm not sure why anyone really cares. Make your own list and look at it every day if you can't stand it. I doubt if one single person agrees with the top 250 list. I surely don't. Foxtrot and Nursery Crime wouldn't even make my top 1000 albums much less top 20.


Absofookinlutely Clap

it's amazing that people care at all at such kind of top list at all...Confused
Don't they have better things to do in life (like breathe fresh air, for exClownEvil Smile) except stats?

As if PA was speaking as some kind of god Pig with an autoritative opinion and dogma to present and doctrine to follow for fidels. Party

Originally posted by BarryGlibb BarryGlibb wrote:

Hey TAAB is going to be played at my funeral in it's entirety.

TAAB accelerated my puberty at the time i.e. 1972; growing a full blown beard at 13.

I started to read newspapers because of TAAB.

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Overrated? Nah; underrated....... should obviously be No. 1 on PA charts (!).


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Originally posted by BaldJean BaldJean wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

funeral songs ehh..  long had that one picked. 

Buffalo Springfield - Bluebird
the long version or the short version?

Clap and another Beer for you Jean.  Not many know of the two verision of that song.  

two really different songs in reality.. while the long version lets Neil and Stephen fly into the sun with some killer guitar work..  but IMO and it is not a commonly held one... it ruins the song as intended. ie in its short version. It was quite a sad song and was driven home by the banjo and Stephen's heart rendering softly uttered singing... in the extended version.. gone...

Look no further than the final verse.. that is why it would be my funeral song.. very sad.. and beautifully done  but anything but that in the extended version and to me that ruins the song. It isn't like there is no wealth of example of just how good Stephen was on guitar and how he held his own.. even topped Neil... but this wasn't the song to do it with.
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Originally posted by The Dark Elf The Dark Elf wrote:

I guess you had to be there. Obviously, you weren't.

Agreed.

At the time it came out, I thought it was cool ... another band that considered making "classical music" within a rock context, and it was outstanding. Kinda weird to think that some folks can only imagine this being a bunch of little songs just glued together ... and considering it over rated on that basis, and not a valid piece of music ... heck, you think Mozart is any better? You think that Beethoven's 5th or 7th or 9th are any better and not just a bunch of songs put together?

It's a real bummer, seeing the lack of understanding and appreciation for so much music ... and to my ear, it's like saying that Mozart is just prairie patties, and Beethoven is plain French merde (not mustard!), and of course, all these "pop musak'ers" would consider the top ten of classical music so overrated ... because CTTE is their number one favorite, and they have NEVER EVER heard any of the other stuff ... and worse ... they never will because that would be admitting that ashidholes like us were right about music, and they were just kids smoking their first joint! (AND ... thinking today's joints were better than what we had ... HAHAHAHA!!!!!)

I am of the opinion that the only thing missing here is people getting a better feel for the history and the time ... I can see it now ... a president saying that "foreign son" is offensive and that the writer needs to be fired from his job! ... and some idiots on this board will allow it to happen, instead of voting that guy out! AND, of course, one read on the lyrics of TAAB kinda ... yeah ... like Ian said ... showing the front of the CD ... this is "progressive" and then flipping the CD and saying "this isn't progressive" ... which was kinda perfect for me ... there is also a different version of it, that was cleaned up later, but the original was far more with it, and like Ian than all the rest of his lyrics!
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Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

funeral songs ehh..  long had that one picked. 

Buffalo Springfield - Bluebird
the long version or the short version?


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funeral songs ehh..  long had that one picked. 

Buffalo Springfield - Bluebird

is TaaB overrated?  Perhaps.. but I'll flip it to the perhaps more accurate point. It isn't overrated as much as their earlier stuff, far superior to that, is HIGHLY underrated. 
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My funerary service should start with Gnidrolog's Long Live Man Dead and end with Oaksenham's Afterdeath Fantasy.
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my funeral will have "The Goldberg Variations" played by Glenn Gould (his first recording of them)


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