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Mortte 
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 Topic: Passion vs Topographics vs Lamb
Posted: February 16 2018 at 13:40 |
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^I think you talk albout Chateu D`isaster Tapes. They used very much of itīs material in a Passion Play, but of course those that are in 20 Years of Jethro Tull-box are really great and not in a Passion Play.
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Posted: February 16 2018 at 11:21 |
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Had to go with 'Play. Not an wasted note; an effort that reportedly was done in relatively little time after the band had to shelve another problematic one they'd originally intended to release. Brilliant in all regards. The others seem a little overblown in both concept and execution. Both came with stories that not all participants were on board for the proceedings. They drag in places. Their popularity is questionable.
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Posted: February 16 2018 at 09:26 |
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Posted: February 15 2018 at 21:34 |
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Referring back to the Tull comments above.......Stand Up and Benefit are and have always been my favorite Tull albums (throw in Agualung too)....they are Tull being Tull. .....whatever the f**k that means.
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Posted: February 15 2018 at 15:54 |
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Lamb lies etc. > A Passion Play >>>> Tales from etc.
'Tales' is one of the Yes albums I do not like so much. There are at least 5 Yes albums I like more.
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Posted: February 15 2018 at 13:33 |
 Mortte wrote:
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For what it's worth, even after the first couple time of listening to Tales, it stuck with me. I remember "breaking in" that record on long stretches of road between towns/band rehearsals. The way those absolutely perfect 70's synths hit during the intro to "The Revealing Science of God" is burned into my soul. I've never felt the album was too long. Perhaps I'm just predisposed for unconventional stuff, and thus why Yes really clicks with me. |
I guess we are all at least a little bit predisposed to unconventional stuff, otherwise why are we at a prog forum willing, and even eager, to find new unconventional stuff. The thing is how unconventional we like our music, and which kinds of unconventional each one of us likes. |
I really started to go into unconventional stuff when started to listen prog in my early teens. I have two elder brothers who really havenīt ever been in prog. Before my progperiod I listen same music as they (southern rock, Country, Blues, old Rīn`R). But after prog hit me, I have really wanted to search the odd ways in the music. Over ten years ago I even started to like really experimental & avantgarde stuff. But In Tales I just think they havenīt got enough ideas to whole double. To me it sounds they`ve added to much ideas in Revealing (yes, I am thinking too itīs great) and then havenīt got enough ideas to second album. But, some odd reason, when I am in certain mood, the whole album works really well to me. It has happened only twice, second time was last time I listened it. |
There was a time after I got into prog that I could hardly listen to more conventional pop or rock (or even metal) without getting bored and loosing my patience. I have come around and listen, or even enjoy, such things... as long as I consider the music good. But still I need to listen to prog and unconventional stuff in a regular basis. As for Revealing, that one is my favourite... actually almost the only song I really like on Tales... but I do feel, as you say, that they added too much to it... a few less changes of pace or melodies or whatever might have done some good to the song.
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Posted: February 15 2018 at 08:46 |
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Lamb Lies by far for me...
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Posted: February 15 2018 at 08:01 |
At first I was really disappointed to Stand Up. Great Finnish reviewer Jake Nyman said in Rock book that many thinks itīs the best Jethro-album. So my expectations were really high, when I was heard before it Thick as a Brick, Aqualung and Benefit. But after many listenings it become one of my Jethro favourites! itīs not just so prog, but has really great songs!
About drumming, Bunker is ok, but Barriemore is my man!
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Posted: February 15 2018 at 05:36 |
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Nahh you are definitely not the only one. I know two other guys, in real life no less, who feel the same. It is just such a wonderful album and actually very diverse sounding. Highlights for me are 1) the drums!!! Monsieur Bunker is the best drummer they ever had imo 2) thrilling emotional guitar solos like fx the one found on We Used To Know 3) those wonderful extended rhythmic breaks they spice up the songs with - perhaps most noticeably in the ending minutes of Back To The Family. Brilliance.
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Posted: February 15 2018 at 05:28 |
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^ I love Stand Up, I thought I was the only one who had this album as a favorite :)
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Posted: February 15 2018 at 05:23 |
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Went with the hare today, but it's really a tie between the lamb and it. My fave studio Tull album together with Stand Up.
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Posted: February 15 2018 at 02:19 |
Dellinger wrote:
Frenetic Zetetic wrote:
Mortte wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Mortte wrote:
^Both albums grow me really slow, but when they hit, they hit really hard! I really remembered when bought a Passion Play after listened Thick As a Brick, Aqualung, Benefit, Stand Up, This Was, Warchild and Songs From the Wood and they all have hit almost immediately. Naturally expected a Passion Play be as great, but I think because itīs much more darker than Thick as a Brick, I just didnīt get into it at first. But now itīs really one of the greatest Tull albums to me. Also one thing noticed my first version was eighties re-issue, many years later bought the original and it has really much greater sounds!
Also Lamb was the first Genesis album to me, I think I was 11 years then, the tittle song hit me immediately, but really not the whole album. But I kept on listening it and some years ago after that it hit really hard! I think Genesis were quote revolutionary that time, when Yes had just done overlong Topograph (I think that album is one reason to proghaters) they decided to put out concept double with short songs. All that really works me, really like also that a little bit paranoidic atmosphere and sounds in the album. |
For me Tales is the one I keep expecting to end up hitting me hard. I really only love Revealing Science of God, the rest is patchy at best... enjoyable, but I don't really love it (at some points, perhaps not even enjoyable). But I still believe that is an album greater than just a rock (or even prog) album, something more... but still, I can't come to love it. When discussions about it appear around here, sometimes I'll get curious and put it on again... and yes, sitting or laying down and listening the the whole of it in one go really helps to enjoy it much better, but in the end I think Yes has much better songs... at least in a more traditional rock / prog sense. |
I really love the Remembering too. It would be dynamite album with those two songs. On the other hand hard to think it that way when knowing itīs a double, I always listen it as whole (but not listen it often). Really shame there isnīt any live versions of Remembering, they played it only about half year after released the album, then never played it again. |
For what it's worth, even after the first couple time of listening to Tales, it stuck with me. I remember "breaking in" that record on long stretches of road between towns/band rehearsals. The way those absolutely perfect 70's synths hit during the intro to "The Revealing Science of God" is burned into my soul. I've never felt the album was too long. Perhaps I'm just predisposed for unconventional stuff, and thus why Yes really clicks with me. |
I guess we are all at least a little bit predisposed to unconventional stuff, otherwise why are we at a prog forum willing, and even eager, to find new unconventional stuff. The thing is how unconventional we like our music, and which kinds of unconventional each one of us likes. |
Yes, of course; I thought that was implied but perhaps I didn't articulate enough. There's a clear divide between the "types of weird" people enjoy here, that's for sure 
Tales is/was unconventional for the time due to its sheer volume of music. It was a herculean task at first listen!
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Posted: February 14 2018 at 22:37 |
Dellinger wrote:
Frenetic Zetetic wrote:
For what it's worth, even after the first couple time of listening to Tales, it stuck with me. I remember "breaking in" that record on long stretches of road between towns/band rehearsals. The way those absolutely perfect 70's synths hit during the intro to "The Revealing Science of God" is burned into my soul. I've never felt the album was too long. Perhaps I'm just predisposed for unconventional stuff, and thus why Yes really clicks with me. |
I guess we are all at least a little bit predisposed to unconventional stuff, otherwise why are we at a prog forum willing, and even eager, to find new unconventional stuff. The thing is how unconventional we like our music, and which kinds of unconventional each one of us likes. |
I really started to go into unconventional stuff when started to listen prog in my early teens. I have two elder brothers who really havenīt ever been in prog. Before my progperiod I listen same music as they (southern rock, Country, Blues, old Rīn`R). But after prog hit me, I have really wanted to search the odd ways in the music. Over ten years ago I even started to like really experimental & avantgarde stuff. But In Tales I just think they havenīt got enough ideas to whole double. To me it sounds they`ve added to much ideas in Revealing (yes, I am thinking too itīs great) and then havenīt got enough ideas to second album. But, some odd reason, when I am in certain mood, the whole album works really well to me. It has happened only twice, second time was last time I listened it.
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Posted: February 14 2018 at 13:59 |
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I voted for 'Lamb', but FWIW I consider all of these albums to be from bands after they peaked - albeit narrowly, in every case.
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Posted: February 10 2018 at 22:10 |
We need some Tull fans in this GeneYes fan club. Tales of boring oceans should be last 
Edited by dr prog - February 10 2018 at 22:12
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All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock.
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Posted: February 10 2018 at 21:39 |
Frenetic Zetetic wrote:
Mortte wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Mortte wrote:
^Both albums grow me really slow, but when they hit, they hit really hard! I really remembered when bought a Passion Play after listened Thick As a Brick, Aqualung, Benefit, Stand Up, This Was, Warchild and Songs From the Wood and they all have hit almost immediately. Naturally expected a Passion Play be as great, but I think because itīs much more darker than Thick as a Brick, I just didnīt get into it at first. But now itīs really one of the greatest Tull albums to me. Also one thing noticed my first version was eighties re-issue, many years later bought the original and it has really much greater sounds!
Also Lamb was the first Genesis album to me, I think I was 11 years then, the tittle song hit me immediately, but really not the whole album. But I kept on listening it and some years ago after that it hit really hard! I think Genesis were quote revolutionary that time, when Yes had just done overlong Topograph (I think that album is one reason to proghaters) they decided to put out concept double with short songs. All that really works me, really like also that a little bit paranoidic atmosphere and sounds in the album. |
For me Tales is the one I keep expecting to end up hitting me hard. I really only love Revealing Science of God, the rest is patchy at best... enjoyable, but I don't really love it (at some points, perhaps not even enjoyable). But I still believe that is an album greater than just a rock (or even prog) album, something more... but still, I can't come to love it. When discussions about it appear around here, sometimes I'll get curious and put it on again... and yes, sitting or laying down and listening the the whole of it in one go really helps to enjoy it much better, but in the end I think Yes has much better songs... at least in a more traditional rock / prog sense. |
I really love the Remembering too. It would be dynamite album with those two songs. On the other hand hard to think it that way when knowing itīs a double, I always listen it as whole (but not listen it often). Really shame there isnīt any live versions of Remembering, they played it only about half year after released the album, then never played it again. |
For what it's worth, even after the first couple time of listening to Tales, it stuck with me. I remember "breaking in" that record on long stretches of road between towns/band rehearsals. The way those absolutely perfect 70's synths hit during the intro to "The Revealing Science of God" is burned into my soul. I've never felt the album was too long. Perhaps I'm just predisposed for unconventional stuff, and thus why Yes really clicks with me. |
I guess we are all at least a little bit predisposed to unconventional stuff, otherwise why are we at a prog forum willing, and even eager, to find new unconventional stuff. The thing is how unconventional we like our music, and which kinds of unconventional each one of us likes.
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Posted: February 10 2018 at 11:31 |
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Well, these three right here are my top 3 prog albums of all time XD
I'll give the vote to A Passion Play, since it's the most underrated of the bunch and it will get less votes.
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Posted: February 10 2018 at 02:30 |
Mortte wrote:
Dellinger wrote:
Mortte wrote:
^Both albums grow me really slow, but when they hit, they hit really hard! I really remembered when bought a Passion Play after listened Thick As a Brick, Aqualung, Benefit, Stand Up, This Was, Warchild and Songs From the Wood and they all have hit almost immediately. Naturally expected a Passion Play be as great, but I think because itīs much more darker than Thick as a Brick, I just didnīt get into it at first. But now itīs really one of the greatest Tull albums to me. Also one thing noticed my first version was eighties re-issue, many years later bought the original and it has really much greater sounds!
Also Lamb was the first Genesis album to me, I think I was 11 years then, the tittle song hit me immediately, but really not the whole album. But I kept on listening it and some years ago after that it hit really hard! I think Genesis were quote revolutionary that time, when Yes had just done overlong Topograph (I think that album is one reason to proghaters) they decided to put out concept double with short songs. All that really works me, really like also that a little bit paranoidic atmosphere and sounds in the album. |
For me Tales is the one I keep expecting to end up hitting me hard. I really only love Revealing Science of God, the rest is patchy at best... enjoyable, but I don't really love it (at some points, perhaps not even enjoyable). But I still believe that is an album greater than just a rock (or even prog) album, something more... but still, I can't come to love it. When discussions about it appear around here, sometimes I'll get curious and put it on again... and yes, sitting or laying down and listening the the whole of it in one go really helps to enjoy it much better, but in the end I think Yes has much better songs... at least in a more traditional rock / prog sense. |
I really love the Remembering too. It would be dynamite album with those two songs. On the other hand hard to think it that way when knowing itīs a double, I always listen it as whole (but not listen it often). Really shame there isnīt any live versions of Remembering, they played it only about half year after released the album, then never played it again. |
For what it's worth, even after the first couple time of listening to Tales, it stuck with me. I remember "breaking in" that record on long stretches of road between towns/band rehearsals. The way those absolutely perfect 70's synths hit during the intro to "The Revealing Science of God" is burned into my soul. I've never felt the album was too long. Perhaps I'm just predisposed for unconventional stuff, and thus why Yes really clicks with me.
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Posted: February 09 2018 at 22:40 |
Dellinger wrote:
Mortte wrote:
^Both albums grow me really slow, but when they hit, they hit really hard! I really remembered when bought a Passion Play after listened Thick As a Brick, Aqualung, Benefit, Stand Up, This Was, Warchild and Songs From the Wood and they all have hit almost immediately. Naturally expected a Passion Play be as great, but I think because itīs much more darker than Thick as a Brick, I just didnīt get into it at first. But now itīs really one of the greatest Tull albums to me. Also one thing noticed my first version was eighties re-issue, many years later bought the original and it has really much greater sounds!
Also Lamb was the first Genesis album to me, I think I was 11 years then, the tittle song hit me immediately, but really not the whole album. But I kept on listening it and some years ago after that it hit really hard! I think Genesis were quote revolutionary that time, when Yes had just done overlong Topograph (I think that album is one reason to proghaters) they decided to put out concept double with short songs. All that really works me, really like also that a little bit paranoidic atmosphere and sounds in the album. |
For me Tales is the one I keep expecting to end up hitting me hard. I really only love Revealing Science of God, the rest is patchy at best... enjoyable, but I don't really love it (at some points, perhaps not even enjoyable). But I still believe that is an album greater than just a rock (or even prog) album, something more... but still, I can't come to love it. When discussions about it appear around here, sometimes I'll get curious and put it on again... and yes, sitting or laying down and listening the the whole of it in one go really helps to enjoy it much better, but in the end I think Yes has much better songs... at least in a more traditional rock / prog sense. |
I really love the Remembering too. It would be dynamite album with those two songs. On the other hand hard to think it that way when knowing itīs a double, I always listen it as whole (but not listen it often). Really shame there isnīt any live versions of Remembering, they played it only about half year after released the album, then never played it again.
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Posted: February 09 2018 at 22:18 |
Mortte wrote:
^Both albums grow me really slow, but when they hit, they hit really hard! I really remembered when bought a Passion Play after listened Thick As a Brick, Aqualung, Benefit, Stand Up, This Was, Warchild and Songs From the Wood and they all have hit almost immediately. Naturally expected a Passion Play be as great, but I think because itīs much more darker than Thick as a Brick, I just didnīt get into it at first. But now itīs really one of the greatest Tull albums to me. Also one thing noticed my first version was eighties re-issue, many years later bought the original and it has really much greater sounds!
Also Lamb was the first Genesis album to me, I think I was 11 years then, the tittle song hit me immediately, but really not the whole album. But I kept on listening it and some years ago after that it hit really hard! I think Genesis were quote revolutionary that time, when Yes had just done overlong Topograph (I think that album is one reason to proghaters) they decided to put out concept double with short songs. All that really works me, really like also that a little bit paranoidic atmosphere and sounds in the album. |
For me Tales is the one I keep expecting to end up hitting me hard. I really only love Revealing Science of God, the rest is patchy at best... enjoyable, but I don't really love it (at some points, perhaps not even enjoyable). But I still believe that is an album greater than just a rock (or even prog) album, something more... but still, I can't come to love it. When discussions about it appear around here, sometimes I'll get curious and put it on again... and yes, sitting or laying down and listening the the whole of it in one go really helps to enjoy it much better, but in the end I think Yes has much better songs... at least in a more traditional rock / prog sense.
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