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    Posted: April 16 2018 at 05:30
^That might have been Steve Doocy and Brian Kilmeade, the left and right halves of Trump's brain.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: April 14 2018 at 10:12
I saw two men near Times Square yesterday with placards saying "Fire Mueller and Stop The Coup!", the typical brainwashed view of Americans controlled by Fox News. Sick.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2018 at 17:48
^ that earns you the Mick trifecta... clapping hands, a laughie, and a beer toastie

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2018 at 14:50
In honor of Donald Trump declaring April as National Sexual Assault Awareness and Prevention Month (you just can't make this stuff up), I have borrowed a song to parody:

And isn't it ironic, don't you think?
A little too ironic, and yeah I really do think --
It's like pussy-grabs on an elevator ride,
While your wife's in labor, you're at a porn star's side,
It's the nineteen victims who your attorney says lied,
And who would've thought, you're elected?



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2018 at 09:01
which makes it all the crazier and more sad.. seeing how it is taking root in Europe.  Seems lessons not learned... but likely doomed to be repeated. Unfortunately the world may not be able to count on us to bail it out again haha..  we got the Der Fuhrer wannabe thing going here and still 40 percent of our population is still too stupid.. or blinded by partisanship to see how their party has crashed and burned ideologically and the only thing they have to hang their hats on is furthering hated, fear and division of others. As we've seen.. given the keys of power.. they have zero notions of what to do.. or how to do it.. other than of course enriching the corporate class..

so this country is broken.. no big secret there..

so who will it be this time that saves the world haha.. likely will have to be the f**king Chinese
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2018 at 07:09
^They used to call that Isolationism or Nationalism.....or worse terms.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 31 2018 at 06:52
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


they don't vote economics... they vote social issues... they care about more about God, guns, and the loss of white Christian America then their own economic wellfare.


This again is not a trend restricted to America.  In conversations over coffee, I have heard some of my well off colleagues say it's not just economics, culture is also important.  So, yes, identity is unfortunately at the very forefront of the discussion and it shouldn't be.  The only worthwhile reason to have a democratic nation state is to run an administration where views across the spectrum are accommodated in so far as they aren't against the values embraced by the nation over a period of time. One's own identity, be it whatever, has very little to do with it and attempting to satisfy every identity group will only tear the administration apart.

oh no.. of course not.. I'll blame America fairly.. even unfairly for most the troubles of the world haha.. I suppose we are behind most of it anyway.. but not on this.  Merely a symptom of a larger reaction...  the pushback on globalism. Both economically and socially. Brexit and Trump were merely expressions of the fear many have of globalism. The loss of economic independence and social homogeneity...and the instinct to try to withdraw back into themselves.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2018 at 11:38
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I can hear Phil Ochs penning a song called 'When Trump Fired Mueller'.  Where are the folk singers when you need 'em.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2018 at 01:03
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:


they don't vote economics... they vote social issues... they care about more about God, guns, and the loss of white Christian America then their own economic wellfare.


This again is not a trend restricted to America.  In conversations over coffee, I have heard some of my well off colleagues say it's not just economics, culture is also important.  So, yes, identity is unfortunately at the very forefront of the discussion and it shouldn't be.  The only worthwhile reason to have a democratic nation state is to run an administration where views across the spectrum are accommodated in so far as they aren't against the values embraced by the nation over a period of time. One's own identity, be it whatever, has very little to do with it and attempting to satisfy every identity group will only tear the administration apart.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2018 at 21:27
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2018 at 20:02
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2018 at 20:01
^ Clappy hands ~

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2018 at 19:41
^ yeah.. what of it. what are you going to do..

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2018 at 03:08
Okay guys this is looking awfully familiar, maybe start a new American Politics thread so you can start talking about this stuff again indefinitely?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 26 2018 at 02:34
From what I've learned about the American voting system, it's entirely possible that Trump gets 20% of all votes and still remains president.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2018 at 20:26
easy answer...  to get back into this again

they don't vote economics... they vote social issues... they care about more about God, guns, and the loss of white Christian America then their own economic wellfare.

to what subject did trump flip the script the other night when getting punished on the economic news ...  yep.. hitting on those evil gays and transsexuals in the military.

Red meat social issues for the right wing morons, bigots and racists that don't make up all of his support.. just a great deal of it.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2018 at 20:20
^Yes...my brother (a history teacher) always used to say how it amazed him that so many right wing middle class and redneck people in the US voted for the Republican right wing rich candidates , like Trump,  when it was against their best interests  to do so. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2018 at 19:49
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

If you take Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, three of the MidWest states that lost Clinton the 2016 election, Johnson's votes were the victory margin (or more) between Trump and Clinton. That is kind of what I am driving at.  These have been Democrat states for two decades and the votes Clinton lost to a third party candidate were also crucial in determining the outcome.

that is why I think Trumps chances in 2020 are highly overrated... he has to hold ALL of his support.. and he is has lost about 6% of his support it seems..  40% will not win an election.. it gets you crushed...and yet account for the energized and highly motivated Democratic base that passed on Hillary for many reasons and will be HIGHLY highly motivated to see Trump gone.

all things being equal.. assuming the Democrats don't nominate another completely flawed and utterly dislikeable candidate in 2020.. and I don't see that happening.. Trump gets crushed in 2020.  He barely won in 2016 against Hillary f**king Clinton whom even many Democrats were not happy with. 


but also why I am highly wary of a war of political convience being started.. my money is on Iran.. prior to the election. Trump might be a dangerous fool.. but not a completely stupid one.. he knows his support is slipping and the one sure way to win reeletion... is to be a sitting wartime President. We have NEVER voted one out of office...  even W won reelection for God's sake haha

Unfortunately, your fear may come true because it's what happened last time.  There are similarities between Dubya and Trump if people ignore the vocabulary (which is really not very important in the larger scheme of things).  Bush pulled USA out of the Kyoto Protocol and also imposed steel tariffs. It's amazing how the passage of time can make some people misty-eyed with nostalgia about ANYTHING.  Bush was quite terrible, good God! *emotici-snip*

oh don't get me started on that...  

trickle down economics anyone..   failed twice... basic human nature.. give the rich more money.. and they keep it.. it does NOT trickle down...

bah....took Obama years to clean up which he never fully got credit for after W.... yet Trump sold it like snake oil again.... to his poor forgetful ignorant supporters

love the tweet about Ryan's housekeeper getting an extra 2 dollars on her paycheck thanks to the tax cut.. 
that is how stupid they .. not think.. KNOW their supporters are.  All while the very rich get richer.. and are damn sure keeping it.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2018 at 19:37
Originally posted by micky micky wrote:

Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

If you take Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, three of the MidWest states that lost Clinton the 2016 election, Johnson's votes were the victory margin (or more) between Trump and Clinton. That is kind of what I am driving at.  These have been Democrat states for two decades and the votes Clinton lost to a third party candidate were also crucial in determining the outcome.

that is why I think Trumps chances in 2020 are highly overrated... he has to hold ALL of his support.. and he is has lost about 6% of his support it seems..  40% will not win an election.. it gets you crushed...and yet account for the energized and highly motivated Democratic base that passed on Hillary for many reasons and will be HIGHLY highly motivated to see Trump gone.

all things being equal.. assuming the Democrats don't nominate another completely flawed and utterly dislikeable candidate in 2020.. and I don't see that happening.. Trump gets crushed in 2020.  He barely won in 2016 against Hillary f**king Clinton whom even many Democrats were not happy with. 


but also why I am highly wary of a war of political convience being started.. my money is on Iran.. prior to the election. Trump might be a dangerous fool.. but not a completely stupid one.. he knows his support is slipping and the one sure way to win reeletion... is to be a sitting wartime President. We have NEVER voted one out of office...  even W won reelection for God's sake haha

Unfortunately, your fear may come true because it's what happened last time.  There are similarities between Dubya and Trump if people ignore the vocabulary (which is really not very important in the larger scheme of things).  Bush pulled USA out of the Kyoto Protocol and also imposed steel tariffs. It's amazing how the passage of time can make some people misty-eyed with nostalgia about ANYTHING.  Bush was quite terrible, good God! LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 25 2018 at 19:23
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

If you take Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin, three of the MidWest states that lost Clinton the 2016 election, Johnson's votes were the victory margin (or more) between Trump and Clinton. That is kind of what I am driving at.  These have been Democrat states for two decades and the votes Clinton lost to a third party candidate were also crucial in determining the outcome.

that is why I think Trumps chances in 2020 are highly overrated... he has to hold ALL of his support.. and he is has lost about 6% of his support it seems..  40% will not win an election.. it gets you crushed...and yet account for the energized and highly motivated Democratic base that passed on Hillary for many reasons and will be HIGHLY highly motivated to see Trump gone.

all things being equal.. assuming the Democrats don't nominate another completely flawed and utterly dislikeable candidate in 2020.. and I don't see that happening.. Trump gets crushed in 2020.  He barely won in 2016 against Hillary f**king Clinton whom even many Democrats were not happy with. 


but also why I am highly wary of a war of political convience being started.. my money is on Iran.. prior to the election. Trump might be a dangerous fool.. but not a completely stupid one.. he knows his support is slipping and the one sure way to win reeletion... is to be a sitting wartime President. We have NEVER voted one out of office...  even W won reelection for God's sake haha


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