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    Posted: June 23 2023 at 16:52
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I would say A Passion Play. Controversial, different than anything Tull had done before, The critics did not treated it well, but the fans took it to Number one in the charts.

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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

Originally posted by IncogNeato IncogNeato wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Dream Theater - Awake - it's become a love it or hate it kind of album. It was a quite relevant, important album when it came out. Quite influential as well. 

This, IMO, is DT's pinnacle. They never topped it.

For me, a divisive DT would be 'Falling Into Infinity'. I understand folks' complaints about it but I find it a strong, better than decent album. They went downhill fast after this.

I haven't heard them in a while but I really can't imagine anyone thinking SFAM Metropolis part 2 or even Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence were weaker albums than Falling Into Infinity. 

I'll be that guy. For me, the band became lifeless with Rudess. His obvious talent and supreme skills notwithstanding, the music they've made with him, with the exception of SFAM2, is boring in the long run. They went from a prog band with a vibe and an identity to, IMO, a band that plays a series of scale-r*ping passages spotted with occasional vocals.

FII is VERY different from what came before and after it. But, it has it's own personality. Sherinian added a "rock and roll" undercurrent to what DT was doing. The worst part of that album is Portnoy's lyrics.
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Originally posted by IncogNeato IncogNeato wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Dream Theater - Awake - it's become a love it or hate it kind of album. It was a quite relevant, important album when it came out. Quite influential as well. 

This, IMO, is DT's pinnacle. They never topped it.

For me, a divisive DT would be 'Falling Into Infinity'. I understand folks' complaints about it but I find it a strong, better than decent album. They went downhill fast after this.

I haven't heard them in a while but I really can't imagine anyone thinking SFAM Metropolis part 2 or even Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence were weaker albums than Falling Into Infinity. 
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Originally posted by IncogNeato IncogNeato wrote:

Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Dream Theater - Awake - it's become a love it or hate it kind of album. It was a quite relevant, important album when it came out. Quite influential as well. 

This, IMO, is DT's pinnacle. They never topped it.

For me, a divisive DT would be 'Falling Into Infinity'. I understand folks' complaints about it but I find it a strong, better than decent album. They went downhill fast after this.


I think Dream Theater as a band are divisive. I happen to dislike them very much, largely probably due to Labrie's vocals, which I can't stand - I happen to like Liquid Tension Experiment a bit; I don't love them but they're nice in small doses.

I think the new Avenged Sevenfold album, Life is but a Dream, is quite divisive - Lots of people who have hated the band in the past happen to like this one, and lots of longtime fans happen to dislike this one. But most longtime fans do still like this one, and most haters of the band still dislike this one. For people with no prior opinion on the band, it seems to be a hit or miss - either they like it or they dislike it, with probably more favorable preference towards the album.


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Originally posted by Cristi Cristi wrote:

Dream Theater - Awake - it's become a love it or hate it kind of album. It was a quite relevant, important album when it came out. Quite influential as well. 

This, IMO, is DT's pinnacle. They never topped it.

For me, a divisive DT would be 'Falling Into Infinity'. I understand folks' complaints about it but I find it a strong, better than decent album. They went downhill fast after this.
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Originally posted by Hrychu Hrychu wrote:

I can recall some people saying Desolation Rose is one of the weakest Flower Kings records, and others considering it as one of their best. Personally, it's my #1 (unpopular opinion).

Not one of their better ones imo. I'd say Adam and Eve is weaker though. I shoud still play it (DR) again soon anyway though since it's been a while.


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^ Never underestimate The Monkees.



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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I posit that ALL prog albums are "divisive," otherwise they wouldn't be progressive.  


And I'd posit that not all prog albums are progressive.

If a prog album is TRULY progressive, it will not be universally accepted by the hoi polloi. 

We're not talking about the Monkees.  

However, not all prog albums are good.
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I can recall some people saying Desolation Rose is one of the weakest Flower Kings records, and others considering it as one of their best. Personally, it's my #1 (unpopular opinion).
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^Paul, it's still not as divisive as Heaven & Earth, Open Your Eyes or Union (referred to as Onion by Rick Wakeman). 
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The Quest would appear to be a strong contender for one of the most divisive prog albums, bearing in mind I Love it and almost everyone else here prefers to Leave Well Alone. Tongue
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Originally posted by AFlowerKingCrimson AFlowerKingCrimson wrote:

I was recently listening to VDGG's Pawn Hearts and it occurred to me that this is one you can add to the list also.

With all respect for the really many lovers of PH, I think of it as a messy H to He on its way to Godbluff, while I'm very fond of the other two albums - or not least therefore.
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Originally posted by Logan Logan wrote:

Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I posit that ALL prog albums are "divisive," otherwise they wouldn't be progressive.  


And I'd posit that not all prog albums are progressive.

and I looked up the word "posit" because I thought it was a misspelled word. LOL
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Originally posted by cstack3 cstack3 wrote:

I posit that ALL prog albums are "divisive," otherwise they wouldn't be progressive.  


And I'd posit that not all prog albums are progressive.
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I posit that ALL prog albums are "divisive," otherwise they wouldn't be progressive.  
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I was recently listening to VDGG's Pawn Hearts and it occurred to me that this is one you can add to the list also.

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Originally posted by David_D David_D wrote:

Originally posted by Psychedelic Paul Psychedelic Paul wrote:

I agree. I should've chosen Discipline instead. Embarrassed
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Maybe it's better to call it "Post-Progressive"? - If to compare it for instance to Brain Salad Surgery which I can think of as an inspiration for Discipline and 1982-King-Crimson.
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I try to rate as fairly as possible. Albums such as Gentle Giant's Free Hand which I personally don't enjoy, still gets a 3.5. Same Goes for Yes Tales of Topographic Oceans... I can hear that the stakes are high, their honest investment in the ideas and concepts they've trying get across. I can hear that the artistic quality is high,  and I think I can hear why these albums is loved by others. Regardless of my lack of enjoyment which isn't always relevant. So while I do think of these two as divise, you couldn't tell form my ratings.
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Originally posted by altered_beast altered_beast wrote:

Islands might be a divisive King Crimson album and have a short lived lineup


The question is, what King Crimson album before Discipline (or Larks, depending on your definition of "lineup") didn't have a short-lived lineup?
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