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    Posted: December 24 2004 at 00:38

Prog is a difficult music to be interested in. Me and a few friends decided that most people with music just want to be entertained and not blown away.

Movies for example, the majority of people would watch "There's something about Mary" over "Citizen Cain"

And before you refute me with "Movies arent music!" please take into consideration that both are a leisure activity, and both have the capacity to be art rather than mere filler for time. In the world of arts the closest thing to music is film(movies and i suppose even television)

So I think its just best to accept that the majority of people wont ever like prog as a genre (although liking a band or two isnt out of the question) and buy them something they would enjoy.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2004 at 23:40

And Then There were Three is surprisingly good (just got it today), but I don't know about Duke.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2004 at 23:31
Yah, lol get them something K00l! (Lol), like maybe Duke (I think Dennis Got me thta) Lol, I looked! Anyway, I downloaded some of the stuff form kazza and its good. The picture on the froont is realy funny 2!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2004 at 16:53
Originally posted by Captain Fudge Captain Fudge wrote:

Let's just wrap all of this up by categorising the presents that should be given (drum rolls):

1. 12-14 year-olds: Wish You Were Here

2. the same age, but with horrendous tastes, like Britney or Eminem: Trans Europa Express

3. for all kids, but with a higher IQ ,who already listen to good stuff, like Sonic Youth, Nirvana or The Beatles: The Pros And Cons Of Hitchiking

4.for 14to 18 yr-olds: Tago Mago or Mekanik Destruktiv Kommandoh

Is that really summing up what has been said before?  

WYWH is a good choice i guess, but I wouldn't give the pros and cons .... (though it's a great name for an album ) to anyone new to prog. And giving Krautrock or Zeuhl to a newbee is kindof evil

I don't even know Trans Europa Express . Who made that album?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2004 at 16:00

Let's just wrap all of this up by categorising the presents that should be given (drum rolls):

1. 12-14 year-olds: Wish You Were Here

2. the same age, but with horrendous tastes, like Britney or Eminem: Trans Europa Express

3. for all kids, but with a higher IQ ,who already listen to good stuff, like Sonic Youth, Nirvana or The Beatles: The Pros And Cons Of Hitchiking

4.for 14to 18 yr-olds: Tago Mago or Mekanik Destruktiv Kommandoh


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2004 at 14:14
Forget peace, give PROG a chance this christmas!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2004 at 14:13

Indeed.

It is difficult to get people to give prog a chance more than anything else.  Most folks would probably find something to like in prog if they actually listened to it.  However, not many people are willing to sit through ten minute plus masterpieces.

One day, lads, one day.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2004 at 14:12
Originally posted by Shredward Shredward wrote:

Originally posted by threefates 
<P>YOu aren't by chance related to Certified are you??? <IMG src=smileys/smiley36.gif border=0></P>
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<P>Being a newbie to this forum I don't know the ProgArchives family <IMG src=smileys/smiley19.gif border=0>. Still, I am quite capable of posting nonsensical drivel in preference to churning out nonsensical java3d.</P>
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YOu aren't by chance related to Certified are you???

Would that be a good or a bad thing?

Being a newbie to this forum I don't know the ProgArchives family . Still, I am quite capable of posting nonsensical drivel in preference to churning out nonsensical java3d.

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.....you and Certified are going to get along well.

.....you and Certified are going to get along well.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 23 2004 at 14:03
Originally posted by threefates
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YOu aren't by chance related to Certified are you???

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Would that be a good or a bad thing?

Being a newbie to this forum I don't know the ProgArchives family

Would that be a good or a bad thing?

Being a newbie to this forum I don't know the ProgArchives family . Still, I am quite capable of posting nonsensical drivel in preference to churning out nonsensical java3d.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2004 at 18:14

Thanks,

I think I'll work on typing it up again once I get the time

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2004 at 18:06

Dont worry ive done that kind of thing before, typed up a long post and just as i clicked to post my internet mucks up and i lose it all.

Welcome to the forum anyhow

Long live progression.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2004 at 18:03

Well, I just typed out along elaborate comment to watch nothing be posted

Scratch that up to my forum noviceness

Sorry

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2004 at 18:01

is it just me or is the above post^ invisible

Edit: oops im a bit late



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2004 at 18:00
Originally posted by Shredward Shredward wrote:

As a very devoted musician with love for an enormously varied selection of music, I have found that there is a lot of crap out there in a number of guises. There is even bad prog, and good pop !

I feel that people are generally exposed to quite a lot of music when they are growing up, and although they're not necesarily listening to it or analysing it, that music becomes comforting to them. I was lucky enough that my mum used to play me Mozart when I was a baby, and when I was 2yrs old I kept asking her to play me Tschaikovsky's 1812 overture over and over again!

When you listen to a lot of similar music (say if you love pop-punk ()) then after a few years you get bored. There is very little one can do of musical interest while sticking with a repeated 3-chord or 4-chord pattern. If someone ventures outside this creative black-hole, they find there is so much you can do with music. This is where prog comes in... what I term the good prog is where the music is 'progressive' because it's musically interesting (as opposed to bad prog that is 'progressive' because of what the band does, rather than the music they're playing). I haven't got bored of early Genesis in the same way that I got bored of most of Iron Maiden for example.

I think I've completely lost the plot as I was originally going to say something about me performing "But Who May Abide" from Handel's Messiah arranged for a metal band.  Good music is good music.

deviation, repetition, and just plain talking bollocks

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2004 at 17:59
you didn't put anything
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2004 at 17:57

I spent the latter part of high school (I'm 18 and now in university) trying to convert my friends into prog fans, but gave up after realising how futile my efforts were. It's not that my friends didn't like the Floyd, Yes and Genesis I was playing for them, its just that they didn't feel the urge to explore the genre any further. I'm not saying it's impossible to influence them, just very difficult. 

Then again, most of my friends recently got into music, and listen to all of the easy to get into pop punk and emo. I've been listening to mainstream rock all my life, but a few years ago I pulled out a few of my dad's Pink Floyd and Yes albums and soon realized after that today's mainstream music didn't offer anything to me any more.

I agree with what was mentioned above, and I think that people just don't have the chance to be slowly exposed to prog these days. I feel that for someone who has grown up with today's rock music and has heard enough of it to grow tired of its repetiveness, prog is kind of the next in line in terms of the evolution of a person's musical tastes. For those of us teens who are fortunate enough to have a parent's prog music collection to go through, getting into prog becomes an adventure and a chance to make one's own discoveries. Being baraged by and forced to listen to prog music, especially an album like Tales from Topographic Oceans, will rarely make someone want to further explore the genre.  

To return to the topic of influencing frineds, I ended up lucking out just before I graduated highschool earlier this year. During a conversation with a girl that I had quite the crush on I brought up Yes only to discover that she was a big fan of Yes, Floyd, Genesis, LZ, the list goes on. She ended up going to the same university as me, in the same program. Thus, I now have at least one person my age that I can talk to about prog. I guess the moral of my story is that more teens than most of us think probably listen to prog rock and other good music, it just may not be overly apparent. Perhaps it is wiser and more productive to try to find other prog fans than it is to try to make new ones. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2004 at 15:28
I have converted some of my friends to prog. The Teenage Progger Ranks have been Raised!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2004 at 15:00

i think that everone likes prog. its just that people most of the time never even get a chance to get  to know it. i was a huge kiss fan ( horrible i know) but by chance when i typed it weard music in google a while back yes came up. if it wasnt for that. i might still be a rocker, hating it withought knowing it.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2004 at 14:04

As a very devoted musician with love for an enormously varied selection of music, I have found that there is a lot of crap out there in a number of guises. There is even bad prog, and good pop !

I feel that people are generally exposed to quite a lot of music when they are growing up, and although they're not necesarily listening to it or analysing it, that music becomes comforting to them. I was lucky enough that my mum used to play me Mozart when I was a baby, and when I was 2yrs old I kept asking her to play me Tschaikovsky's 1812 overture over and over again!

When you listen to a lot of similar music (say if you love pop-punk ()) then after a few years you get bored. There is very little one can do of musical interest while sticking with a repeated 3-chord or 4-chord pattern. If someone ventures outside this creative black-hole, they find there is so much you can do with music. This is where prog comes in... what I term the good prog is where the music is 'progressive' because it's musically interesting (as opposed to bad prog that is 'progressive' because of what the band does, rather than the music they're playing). I haven't got bored of early Genesis in the same way that I got bored of most of Iron Maiden for example.

I think I've completely lost the plot as I was originally going to say something about me performing "But Who May Abide" from Handel's Messiah arranged for a metal band.  Good music is good music.

deviation, repetition, and just plain talking bollocks

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 22 2004 at 12:26
Originally posted by Joren Joren wrote:

Originally posted by aqualung28 aqualung28 wrote:

I've been trying to get my brother hooked on Rush. I think it is a perfect intro into prog rock for him because he likes hard rock.  He doesn't really give anything a chance unless they sound like Ted Nugent, AC/DC, or Kiss. (None of which I particularly enjoy) Music is an important part of my life so getting people into great music brings me great joy, but he won't give it a chance.

AC/DC was the first band I fell in love with. I still think they are the best rock 'n' roll band ever, better than the Rolling Stones. I hardly ever listen to it anymore, but AC/DC was the first band I wanted to know everything about, and hear anything they recorded. My first obsession.  That's where my true love for music started. And look at me now: on a prog forum.

Maybe your brother just needs some time... maybe not, but you can't force him.

OK I understand I can't force him but if I hear Shook Me All Night Long one more time I may have to throw myself off a bridge (The Back In Black album is really good though) I prefer Black Sabbath
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