Wich band must be added in prog related a

yesfan88 wrote: Led Zeppelin is prog-related. They're also awesome, but that wasn't really the question.

Megadeth -   doubt it

Peter Rideout wrote: [When the HECK are those intrusive descriptions (one of which STILL contains a non-word!) which accompany the ratings going to be dumped?

    
You mean "completionists"...well if we can invent new music genres,invent the idea that the likes of ELO are Prog (@Mickey) then we can also invent some new words.

Besides Peter,eveyone knows what it means so, maybe, it will become part of everyday use:

Dad: Why havent you finished washing the dishes?
Daughter: Oh, dad! Stop being such a completionist!

WaywardSon wrote: I can relate to Peter Rideout´s post, sometimes all this categorization gets a bit too much!   @micky, as you will see by my Bowie poll in "Suggest Bands" the commoners are getting quite restless and I have severe doubts that they will be held back by one insolent little general

ahhhh... but like life ..here on PA's even the generals..have their masters... and have been instucted to lay off for a bit and concentrate on the master list.  I've got 4 bands I'm working on adding now. Besides I'm sure most of those people couldn't name 5 Bowie albums much less accurately describe his music. I"m sitting that debate out for now.  Let it rest for now.. he's not going anywhere... and won't be considered for inclusion  for awhile here.  When he is.. he'll be included.. trust me

Peter Rideout wrote: IMHO, all of this endless Iron Maiden, Zeppelin, Bowie (& whoever else), prog metal inclusion issues, prog metal team changes, etc rancor, hurt feelings, indecision squabbling, insulting and confusion is because:   1. "Prog" and "progressive" are silly, outdated, hopelessly vague and subjective terms. They are all but USELESS as a means to categorize anything but a late 60s - early 70s movement in rock.   2. Music itself is a very subjective, emotive thing -- no two of us hears it quite the same (it passes through each of our own unique "filters"), so it cannot be adequately encompassed, quantified or "measured" with universal words or numbers. We like to approach it scientifically/mathmetically but it isn't science or math!   3. People who are passionate about music love to argue, it seems, and they can get quite incensed when their version of "the truth" is challenged. (Perhaps, paradoxically, what most unites us is a certain obsessive, argumentive, "my taste is superior" character trait -- call it a flaw, if you like.)       These categorization and inclusion/exclusion issues will NEVER, EVER go away or be satisfactorily resolved. They can only be resolved privately, in your own mind -- in your own collection.       Face it: all but some very obscure "prog" bands have long since been included here (but we want almost everything we like to be included here, so that it can have equal "value.") We are now busy re-writing history, "uniting" diverse music and diverse, sometimes downright inimical fanbases by the most tenuous of connections.    Cramming everyone and everything into a series of boxes within a larger, but somehow wall-less, invisible box, conflict is inevitable, and the very vague, subjective notion of the categorization of art is the reason. We are trying to catch wind and water in a net!   Jazz, country, Celtic, folk, rap, blues, disco, reggae, punk, metal, even rock -- these categories are much more intuitive, and broadly accepted and delineated. But what the HECK is "prog" in the context of this site and its very diverse, multi-generational membership?   If you accept the fact of the hopelessness of seeking concensus on art, it becomes easier to sit back and just watch the fireworks. Wheeee! Look at 'em go!     (The preceding was version # 547.5 of my usual anarchic, lone-wolf, "non-productive" post!)

hahahhah... well this is version #2 of me applauding your sentiments.. however there is a system here Peter.. and as much as I'd love to change it and have worked TO change it... we can either choose to work within the existing framework (while of course trying to subvert them to our own purposes)  or not work at all. Either is perfectly acceptable to me.  Again I agree with you and work to eliminate the subjective nature of the catagorizations here.

IMHO, all of this endless Iron Maiden, Zeppelin, Bowie (& whoever else), prog metal inclusion issues, prog metal team changes, etc rancor, hurt feelings, indecision, squabbling, insulting and confusion is because:

Edited by Peter Rideout - October 06 2006 at 00:37

WaywardSon wrote: I think largely because they (Zep, Purple (already in) and Sabbath) were around at the same time as a lot of the seventies big prog bands.(So everyone took or influenced each other in a subtle way)  Sabbath for songs like Warning, The Wizard, Air Dance etc Zep for songs like No Quarter, a few off "In through the out door" etc   Also because most progheads have at least one or two of these bands in their collection...   I Knew you would see reason Micky, thanks in advance

hahhahah... 

I do love reason... and the give and take of debate.... personally I have serious issues with either being here.  Sabbath most of all ...for this simple bit of....reason.

Melomaniac wrote: Black Sabbath helped shape metal, not prog-metal, therefore those who think that they should be included here don't have a case.

give credit where credit is due on that one...

my two cents.. for what it's worth...that's ^  game set and match against Sabbath being here period.


and you know my thoughts on Zeppelin.  I just want to see people come up with some reasons... and how about something other that a few songs...  unless we are going to included damn near every rock group from the 70's the experimented with some odd time sigs and an epic or two.  If the site chooses to be THAT inclusive...  you could honestly stop thinking of this place as prog archives and start calling it something like 'classic rock' archives. 


Edited by micky - October 05 2006 at 20:10

Tony R wrote: Philéas wrote: Prog Related should be removed, Proto-Prog aswell. Well we certainly aren't going to remove them based on an unqualified statement... this is a discussion forum why not discuss why they should be removed

ahhhh... wise words indeed... and let me warp them as is my nature


Bands shouldn't be added on unqualied statements and meaningless votes....

this is a discussion forum why not discuss why they should be added.....



I would be most interested to know why people consider the two protagonists of this thread.. Zeppelin and Sabbath as prog related,  and whether meerly being a progressive artist ... is enough to be considered Prog Realted here.   Iron Maiden was shown to be prog related.... figure these two ^  should be as well.


Edited by micky - October 05 2006 at 19:34

Cristi wrote:   I think that Led Zeppelin and Black Sabbath deserve to be added under the prog-related category.

Philéas wrote: Prog Related should be removed, Proto-Prog aswell.

Well we certainly aren't going to remove them based on an unqualified statement...

this is a discussion forum why not discuss why they should be removed
    
    

Edited by Tony R - October 05 2006 at 18:43