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Cesar Inca 
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 Topic: Enchant... Prog Metal???
Posted: March 08 2007 at 22:08 |
Maybe someone has posted this before, but just in case, here's an amazing vid on Youtube that has left me quite impressed this very night - Ted Leonard beautifully singing the National Anthem, with genuine feeling and crytalline technique.
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micky
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 14:21 |
just noticed this bruhaha.. this morning...
a reminder to all.. there are processes that go on behind the
scenes... many people spend a great deal of time
doing this for no other reason than out of a regard for the site. We
all respect them.. and respect (joking aside) the work of our different
genre teams.
I'll speak plainly.. that the Iron Maiden fracus last fall left
the impression with some that you all simply don't understand the
processes involoved here. When it was explained... it was
ignored. Reading some of the comments in the collab section...
some members of the PMT thought it was prog metal some thought
they could be in PM. That is why they were
there.... a word of warning... tread lightly when you start
telling people that you think you know better than they do... you may
win a battle or two... but you'll always be a foot soldier...
never a leader 
Prog Metal like prog.. is about perception... for better or for
worst.. it is their determination.. not mine, or yours which is what
determines it. My two cents... this could have been handled
better.. and quietly.. within the confines of the genre groups.
Maybe I'm still sore about the whole Iron Maiden disaster, being one of
the principal players in that, but You all have your right to an
opinion... but grandstanding is akin to rubbing people's noses in it..
and people don't forget that.
off my soap box.. there is enough tension involved between some genre groups without having more hahahhaha
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Jared
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 14:08 |
having listened to them for 10 years, and owning all their albums to date, I've come to the conclusion that they are...
NOT PROG METAL!!!!
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The T
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 14:01 |
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yltcaxe, retteb nwonk sa EHT MAERD! 
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 13:55 |
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The T
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 13:51 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
I'd like to inform all of you that Enchant have been moved back to Art Rock. However, I'll be grateful to The T or any other of the participants to this thread if they could write a new bio for the band - in fact, the first sentence of the existing bio states clearly that they are Symphonic Prog Metal, and this was the main reason why I asked the PMT's opinion before moving them. I'd rather not have bands in AR whose bio says they belong to another subgenre. |
Oh, I just read this. Congratulations. Now I could help with that bio, just give me a day, in friday you'll have it. (I work and study  , and this is the only time of the day I can check the pc, or late at night)...
Oh, good to see enchant were moved. It's all for the best.
Ghost Rider, once again you have proven that the only good quality you still lack is good taste for excellent new-york bands that change prog-metal history!!
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 05:11 |
I'm so glad that I don't have biographies on my website ... sure, they're a great asset, but they can also be a major pain in the ***. 
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Posted: March 07 2007 at 04:42 |
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I'd like to inform all of you that Enchant have been moved back to Art Rock. However, I'll be grateful to The T or any other of the participants to this thread if they could write a new bio for the band - in fact, the first sentence of the existing bio states clearly that they are Symphonic Prog Metal, and this was the main reason why I asked the PMT's opinion before moving them. I'd rather not have bands in AR whose bio says they belong to another subgenre.
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 02:55 |
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I just wonder why I bothered to post a query about Enchant in the Collabs General section, when there are people who seem to have missed it completely. Probably it's perfectly useless to do so, seen as people will first ignore such things, then complain when a band is moved with the agreement of TWO genre teams.
As I don't know the band in question, I asked for the PMT's expertise - which, according to what I've seen here so far, is non-existent, since they all told me that Enchant were better defined as Prog-Metal. That said, I'm not going to move them anywhere before the PMT tells me they're OK with that. Genre teams exist for that purpose - the Admin team have other fish to fry than move bands every time someone decides their collocation is not the right one.
Edited by Ghost Rider - March 06 2007 at 02:56
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Posted: March 06 2007 at 01:31 |
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As a huge fan of Enchant (I own all their albums), I would never really box them into a prog metal label. I think they take elements of prog metal, neo-prog, symphonic prog, and pop/rock and meld them all into their own unique sound. Enchant is really one of the most underrated new prog bands of the last 10 years, I love all of their stuff!
If I had to "classify" them with one of the sites labels, I would have to say art rock would be the most accurate.
Edited by Nipsey88 - March 06 2007 at 01:34
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Snow Dog
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 17:24 |
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I would say Riverside.
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MikeEnRegalia
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 17:22 |
^ sure we all have different standards ... for example I'd say that Riverside aren't metal. Now what's heavier ... Enchant or Riverside?
Edited by MikeEnRegalia - March 05 2007 at 17:23
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 16:43 |
MikeEnRegalia wrote:
Enchant are a bit "between the chairs" (as we say in Germany) ... their early albums are clearly non-metal, but Juggling, Blink of an Eye and especially Tug of War are quite heavy. Most other websites (and record stores, for that matter) put them in the metal category, and so did we. Personally I don't mind which category they're in as long as I can listen to them! |
Juggling, the only album I own, is not Prog Metal to my ears. Far from it, but, I guess that is also in the ear of the beholder.
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Raff
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 13:36 |
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There's nothing to be sorry about. You asked us to intervene - I did as soon as I saw your post. Everyone of us wants PA to be accurate, even if we are not talking about hard sciences here. If the members of the PMT agree with moving them once again, we will do so, and make you all very happy.
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The T
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 13:29 |
Ghost Rider wrote:
Unfortunately, I can't post the link to the thread I opened last November before Enchant were moved to Prog-Metal. The decision was not taken lightly, as there were two teams involved (AR and PM), and the thread was open for a couple of weeks at least before the move was made.
However, as this seems to be a matter of life and death, and you're even asking for the Admin Team's intervention on it, and seen as I couldn't care less where Enchant are, I'll post the link to this thread in the Collabs zone, and see what comes out of it. |
Calm down... It's not a matter of life and death... I won't die if Enchant are prog-metal... Nobody will.... (well, maybe ted leonard-singer- if he finds out about it ).... I'm just asking this because, in case you haven't noticed, I like PA very much, so I want it to be as accurate as possible, as good a site as possible...
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 13:14 |
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Unfortunately, I can't post the link to the thread I opened last November before Enchant were moved to Prog-Metal. The decision was not taken lightly, as there were two teams involved (AR and PM), and the thread was open for a couple of weeks at least before the move was made.
However, as this seems to be a matter of life and death, and you're even asking for the Admin Team's intervention on it, and seen as I couldn't care less where Enchant are, I'll post the link to this thread in the Collabs zone, and see what comes out of it.
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 13:00 |
Admin team... could you at least review the situation, seeing the results here? I know things are not decided by polls here, but just to give you an idea what the average prog fan thinks about Enchant being prog-metal... which is: 
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Posted: March 05 2007 at 08:46 |
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I only know Tug of War and I don't see any metal here ... nor art or prog. It's a good heavy AOR album.
Edited by Bupie - March 05 2007 at 08:47
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Posted: March 03 2007 at 03:31 |
NO! 
I LIKE THE BAND.
MAYBE "NEO-PROG" WITH SOME "ART ROCK" THINGS...
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Posted: February 24 2007 at 17:25 |
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I think 'Wounded' is the only metal-prog album they released. Their previous album 'Blueprint of the world' was produced and also features Steven Rothery. It is more in the 'neo-prog' vein, as are their latest albums. The follow-up to 'Wounded', 'Break' ('time lost' is a compilation of leftover tracks from the 'blueprint' and 'wounded' sessions) features some "grunge" ingredients.
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