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Topic: Classical Composers Posted: October 13 2010 at 19:30
Prog rock music has structurally more in common with the music of the Baroque and of the late Romantic/Modern era than with the Classical era, so it does not surprise me that their protagonists Bach and Stravinsky are in the lead. They are also my favourites (with a slight preference for Stravinsky) .
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Posted: October 12 2010 at 16:04
stonebeard wrote:
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:) I'm not surprised Stravinsky leads this poll and Mozart is way below since first mentioned is the eclectic progger amongst the classical composers and Mozart more like the pop artist (without wanting to be disrespectful here). And so it's no surprise that progfans vote like this.
And it is also, sadly, no surprise prog fans would make this connection or support the less popular over the more talented.
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Posted: October 12 2010 at 15:45
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Mahler's 6th, 1st, 5th and 8th are my favorites. Bernstein rules them.
Don't discount Tilson Thomas' version of the 6th--I prefer it, at least.
i would love to hear the very first recording of the 6th , conducted by F Charles Adler from around 1950-anybody out there heard it? Adler is one of my very fave Mahler conductors, and is overlooked (i have, love, and would recommend to anybody his recordings of the 1st and 3rd)
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Posted: October 12 2010 at 15:23
lucas wrote:
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and Mozart's requiem is far from the "poppiest" classical music I ever heard...
I think it's rather the lack of knowledge of his music that leads to vote for another composer.
And I am tired of those attacks on "pop" music. There is a lot of pop music that is brilliant, while there is a lot of prog rock that is pure bulls**t.
Good post
Mozart is not my cup of tea but I must recognize he was a great musician. Agree with you too about the attacks over pop music. Nothing is absloutely black or white.
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Posted: October 12 2010 at 14:54
progrules wrote:
:) I'm not surprised Stravinsky leads this poll and Mozart is way below since first mentioned is the eclectic progger amongst the classical composers and Mozart more like the pop artist (without wanting to be disrespectful here). And so it's no surprise that progfans vote like this.
And it is also, sadly, no surprise prog fans would make this connection or support the less popular over the more talented.
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:31
I am fond of Grieg, especially because of the Peer Gynt suites and his piano concerto, but some other lesser known works as well.
I like Rachmaninov especially for his four piano concertos and some more.
Oh well, from most well known composers there are works that I really like. I don't have my favorites as with prog, my taste is broader as it comes to classical music, but I have a slight preference for the romantic era, middle period especially.
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Posted: October 11 2010 at 12:15
progrules wrote:
:) I'm not surprised Stravinsky leads this poll and Mozart is way below since first mentioned is the eclectic progger amongst the classical composers and Mozart more like the pop artist (without wanting to be disrespectful here).
Do you know that Grieg ( & Tchaikovsky+++ as well) considered Mozart the Greatest Composer with deepest music . Stravinsky would have been shocked if he had seen this poll . +++ on the classical music forums (and I saw really a lot of them) Mozart is ALWAYS in top 3
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Posted: October 10 2010 at 18:14
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I am fine with voting for a different composer. I am not fine with calling Mozart "pop" in comparison to the others. does the person who wrote this know that a) Mozart was the first free-lancing composer (all others worked for some Noblemen) and b) that he had problems selling his works, simply because it was not what the people wanted. that's just the opposite of "pop"
Exactly. Calling "pop" music like the Operas, like the piano concertos (probably the best in the genre, none has surpassed them yet), the choral masterworks like the Requiem (my favorite music ever) and his last 7 symphonies (especially the last 4) is just showing deep, unsustainable ignorance.
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Posted: October 10 2010 at 18:12
lucas wrote:
^
and Mozart's requiem is far from the "poppiest" classical music I ever heard...
I think it's rather the lack of knowledge of his music that leads to vote for another composer.
And I am tired of those attacks on "pop" music. There is a lot of pop music that is brilliant, while there is a lot of prog rock that is pure bulls**t.
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Posted: October 10 2010 at 17:51
no one has mentioned the early Romantic genius from Germany , Carl Maria von Weber he was related to Mozart, was an early musical hero of Berlioz's, and , well, most importantly, he was a contemporary of Beethoven's and the next german composer in importance to Beethoven during Beethoven's lifetime he wrote some lovely operas, and opera overtures, overlooked are his solo piano and piano concerto works, which are lovely and quite striking would highly recommend the piano concertos with Roland Keller or Peter Rosel on the piano, and the solo works for piano with Hans Kann
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Posted: October 10 2010 at 17:25
I am fine with voting for a different composer. I am not fine with calling Mozart "pop" in comparison to the others. does the person who wrote this know that a) Mozart was the first free-lancing composer (all others worked for some Noblemen) and b) that he had problems selling his works, simply because it was not what the people wanted. that's just the opposite of "pop"
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Posted: October 10 2010 at 14:32
^
and Mozart's requiem is far from the "poppiest" classical music I ever heard...
I think it's rather the lack of knowledge of his music that leads to vote for another composer.
And I am tired of those attacks on "pop" music. There is a lot of pop music that is brilliant, while there is a lot of prog rock that is pure bulls**t.
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Posted: October 10 2010 at 14:07
progrules wrote:
:) I'm not surprised Stravinsky leads this poll and Mozart is way below since first mentioned is the eclectic progger amongst the classical composers and Mozart more like the pop artist (without wanting to be disrespectful here). And so it's no surprise that progfans vote like this.
My personal fav is Edvard Grieg mainly because of his ambient achievements (the man's music breathes Norway really). Beethoven and Tsjaikovsky are brilliant as well.
anyone who sees Mozart as a pop artist among the classical composers has no idea about Mozart at all. his operas, for example,are deep character studies. "Don Giovanni" is my favorite opera because of these incredibly deep character studies. what works of Mozart do you know to utter this judgment, a judgment that any classical musician would heavily disagree with? this is pop?
or this? this was highly avant-garde at its time!
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Posted: October 10 2010 at 14:02
:) I'm not surprised Stravinsky leads this poll and Mozart is way below since first mentioned is the eclectic progger amongst the classical composers and Mozart more like the pop artist (without wanting to be disrespectful here). And so it's no surprise that progfans vote like this.
My personal fav is Edvard Grieg mainly because of his ambient achievements (the man's music breathes Norway really). Beethoven and Tsjaikovsky are brilliant as well.
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Posted: October 09 2010 at 19:14
I'd like to mention some early Italian composers, like Girolamo Frescobaldi or Carlo Gesualdo; the latter murdered his wife and her lover after catching them in flagranto delicvti and repented for it with beautiful madrigals: Frescobaldi:
Gesualdo:
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Posted: October 09 2010 at 16:27
All the composers listed are great.
Scarlatti is mostly known for his sonatas, but his stabat mater is truly exceptional.
Verdi and Puccini are mainly known for their operas, but they wrote, together with Rossini, some of the best pages of sacred music.
One can regret not a single of the french Baroque representatives are listed : Rameau, Marais, Ste-Colombe, Forqueray, Couperin, Charpentier, Lully, Campra, Delalande...
Ste-Colombes's "concertos ŕ 2 violes égales" are SUBLIME.
Viola di gamba became soon one of my favourite instruments in classical music.
And where is Vivaldi ? Some people here might soon become interested in this composer thanks to this :
Edited by lucas - October 10 2010 at 07:41
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stonebeard wrote:
Good post
Mozart is not my cup of tea but I must recognize he was a great musician. Agree with you too about the attacks over pop music. Nothing is absloutely black or white.
