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Topic: Foxtrot vs. The Lamb Posted: May 18 2012 at 11:39 |
Foxtrot
Slightly unrelated, listening to Transatlantic's cover of Giant Hogweed makes me want to get back into this band.
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Posted: May 18 2012 at 11:36 |
Lamb Lies Down
....On Broadway!
Supper is Ready Everyday But you don't meet the slippermen everyday!
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Posted: May 18 2012 at 11:24 |
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: May 18 2012 at 11:20 |
^ Even though I don't like The Lamb, you have to look past Broadway for more on that one.
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Posted: May 18 2012 at 06:04 |
FOXTROT. While THE LAMB has a couple of tunes I really love, maintream critics notwithstanding (who usually reckon it their best, for reasons I can never comprehend), it was their worst Gabriel-era album in my opinion. Who wants to hear Gabriel sing about Broadway or a guy named Rael wandering around in NYC? I want English drawing rooms and musical boxes. :-)
Edited by jude111 - May 18 2012 at 17:41
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Posted: May 18 2012 at 02:12 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
I always believed that from Trespass to Foxtrot, Genesis developed a unique dark and dense atmosphere that falls over the listener as thick mist, that sound created mostly by the interplay between Hackett and Banks is somehow lost in SEbP and exchanged for a lighter and more friendly sound, in The Lamb they return to the obscure sound, but less successful. |
Hm ... I think SEBTP is darker than Foxtrot (parts of Moonlit Knight and 2nd half Cinema Show vs. Apocalypse).
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Posted: May 18 2012 at 01:14 |
cstack3 wrote:
Spoken wisely!
Hackett & Banks are sublime on The Lamb, but it goes on a bit too long for my tastes. Foxtrot has its weak moments with "Time Table" and "Horizons", but overall, the power of the remaining music is amazing. |
Can't believe I missed you saying that. Looks like I wasn't ... What?!
progtapper wrote:
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Foxtrot should be regarded as the NO1 prog album imho. |
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... regarded by whom?
Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 18 2012 at 02:13
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Posted: May 18 2012 at 00:49 |
richardh wrote:
Foxtrot should be regarded as the NO1 prog album imho. |
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Posted: May 03 2012 at 06:52 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
cstack3 wrote:
lazland wrote:
Foxtrot. If the Lamb had been two sides only, then it would have been a damn sight closer. |
Spoken wisely! Hackett & Banks are sublime on The Lamb, but it goes on a bit too long for my tastes. Foxtrot has its weak moments with "Time Table" and "Horizons," but overall, the power of the remaining music is amazing. |
So are you saying all double albums are too long. Or that the music on the lamb is not up to it |
Some of both. Of TFTO, I have a take-it-or-leave-it attitude towards "The Ancient," it never really moved me like the other sides have. Similarly, The Lamb has about one full side of material I could do without.
Double albums that are excellent as they were written include The Who's Tommy and Quadraphenia. Led Zep's Quadraphenia has tremendous material, but also a fair amount of filler.
Live double albums like "Made in Japan" by Deep Purple, or "Yessongs" are something altogether different.
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 21:13 |
cstack3 wrote:
lazland wrote:
Foxtrot. If the Lamb had been two sides only, then it would have been a damn sight closer. |
Spoken wisely!
Hackett & Banks are sublime on The Lamb, but it goes on a bit too long for my tastes. Foxtrot has its weak moments with "Time Table" and "Horizons," but overall, the power of the remaining music is amazing.
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Even though I consider it a masterpiece, The Lamb is almost my least favorite Gabriel era release (only better than SEbtP in my opinion), so not talking as a fan...But even though it's long, I wouldn't touch a note, it's a concept album and each track is an important part of the story, touching it would be some sort of blasphemy.
I always believed that from Trespass to Foxtrot, Genesis developed a unique dark and dense atmosphere that falls over the listener as thick mist, that sound created mostly by the interplay between Hackett and Banks is somehow lost in SEbP and exchanged for a lighter and more friendly sound, in The Lamb they return to the obscure sound, but less successful.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - May 01 2012 at 21:17
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 20:23 |
Don't know about them, but for me, the music isn't up to it. Even if it had only 2 sides, I'd still find it weaker than the previous 2 albums.
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:36 |
cstack3 wrote:
lazland wrote:
Foxtrot. If the Lamb had been two sides only, then it would have been a damn sight closer. |
Spoken wisely! Hackett & Banks are sublime on The Lamb, but it goes on a bit too long for my tastes. Foxtrot has its weak moments with "Time Table" and "Horizons," but overall, the power of the remaining music is amazing. | So are you saying all double albums are too long. Or that the music on the lamb is not up to it
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:19 |
cstack3 wrote:
Hackett & Banks are sublime on The Lamb, but it goes on a bit too long for my tastes.
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I remember you supporting TFTO .
Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 01 2012 at 17:20
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:06 |
lazland wrote:
Foxtrot. If the Lamb had been two sides only, then it would have been a damn sight closer. |
Spoken wisely!
Hackett & Banks are sublime on The Lamb, but it goes on a bit too long for my tastes. Foxtrot has its weak moments with "Time Table" and "Horizons," but overall, the power of the remaining music is amazing.
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 17:02 |
^ OK, I think it's time to let it go now.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - May 01 2012 at 17:03
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 15:23 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
akamaisondufromage wrote:
... 'It' which I always imagined to be playing as the credits ran at the end. |
Ah! Same here. | Oh, that... explains you earlier post... sort of. It never occured to me that you would be wanting to censor filler, so I never tried to fill in the "***s" with that word.
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 13:28 |
akamaisondufromage wrote:
... 'It' which I always imagined to be playing as the credits ran at the end. |
Ah! Same here.
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 13:06 |
snowsnow wrote:
Dayvenkirq wrote:
^ And yet it's not that clear to me. What would you have to say about The Broadway Melody or Ravine or Silent Sorrow? |
The Broadway Melody - a nice interlink between Fly on a Windshield and cuckoo cocoon
Silent sorrow - I love this track! - very atmospheric - you can almost visualise poor old Rael wandering off alone..
Ravine - Afraid "filler" might be appropriate term for this one! |
The F word in this case as you guessed is 'filler' , the (poor) joke on my part is that f**k is censored here and so indeed should filler be as it should not be uttered when talking about the Lamb. As snowsnow says those tracks that some think of as filler are either beautiful in their own right or/and play a part in the story which I always see as a film soundtrack. See 'It' which I always imagined to be playing as the credits ran at the end. Anyway, we / I do not know what was in their mind at the time and I have no right to edit it. For me its my favourite of theirs so I am biased too. Take a part away and you destroy more than just that little bit like taking part of Supper's Ready away.
Apologies for non native speakers of English.
The 'making that clear' was a joke too as you might have guessed. But of a similarly poor standard.
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Posted: May 01 2012 at 12:59 |
^i'd rather not.
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