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Topic: ELP 5.1 remixes by Steven Wilson.
Posted: March 04 2013 at 16:52

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Posted: March 04 2013 at 15:09

Steven Wilson remastering/remixing the first two ELP albums? Time to get out the dartboard.

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Posted: August 31 2012 at 20:55

richardh wrote:

^ The Only Way is certainly something special now.

Dude! You read my mind about The Only Way.... As I wait for my discs, I am thinking what track to play first,
and I keep thinking The Only Way for those haunting low organ pipes and then magestic grand piano and Greg's
fine tenor.... What a treat indeed.

I am not sure most folks here understand how special these releases are or what magic takes place when a gifted ear
such as Steven Wilson goes back from the original multi tracks and rebuilds the whole project from scratch and spreads it out to 5.1 channels. Too bad more folks can't experience the surround sound easier.

Me.... I can't effin wait!

P.S. I have the older,now out of print DVD-Audio of Brain Salad Surgery and it does sound magnificent, though I do think Steven's mix will be totally worthwhile and different from the that one. Steven has a way to recreate reverbs
and stuff that was used on the original 2 track mixdown, he keeps the original feel but adds clarity and depth toall the instruments. I don't know how he does it. His 5.1 mix of Aqualung is to die for.

Us proggers are so very lucky that Steven is giving his time(at very little compensation) to do these surround mixes...ELP, Tull, Crimson....

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Posted: August 31 2012 at 09:50

This prog review is a joke right, keith Emerson is a pub piano player, please give me a break.

I understand people who loath certain bands, but you have to back it up, the guy says he dosn't like overlong meandering sections that ELP do, and yet he enjoys relayer a album with 3 songs.

I love the way people are selecteive with picking holes in ELP, the knives overblown theatrics and so on, they forget one very important point they are talented muzos first and formost.

Jimi hendrix was full of tricks in the early years but you could never deny the man could play guitar,

Its like me say the review was bad because the bloke was fat, look past the visual and listen to the music.

Edited by mantifluid - August 31 2012 at 09:52

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Posted: August 31 2012 at 04:12

A Review by Darren Lock on You Tube; Disclaimer, he doesn't like very much ELP, but he likes the mixes done by SW :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkUk84I6XiE&feature=g-all-u

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Posted: August 30 2012 at 02:51

^ The Only Way is certainly something special now.

Thanks for the info dennismoore , I am literally drooling at the prospect of SW getting his hands on BSS especially

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Posted: August 29 2012 at 15:09

I listening to Tarkus DVDA right now whilst typing this,and I can tell you boys and girls, its somthing else.

Tarkus is one of my favorite albums and have played it over and over, now its sounds if the band are in my room blasting away.

This is how recordings should sound clear clean powerfull every detail captured, and yet not harsh or over equed, it has the warmth of vinyl and yet the crispness of CD

Music should be somthing you look forward to with each purchase, as you get older that thrill fades away, but on this experence it brings back the joy of your youth.

The only way is playing now and I swear Keith is sat at some church organ in my living room Greg laying down the vocals.

Mr Wilson has done fantastic work hear Trilogy BSS and the live albums will give me and all fans of High rez recordings something to really light the fires once more.

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Posted: August 29 2012 at 13:22

richardh wrote:

So they are now here!!

Been listening to Emerson,Lake and Palmer's debut- alternative version. Not much change on Take A Pebble or The Barbarian but then Knife Edge has noticeable changes on the vocals (I like) and a different ending (I don't like). Side Two in old money now starts with Promenade from Pictures At An Exhibition (with vocals) followed by just the 3rd Fate . There is a completly new track called Rave Up which is totally brilliant and shows ELP getting together as a band. Tank is completely gutted (Steven obviously doesn't like jazz rock he he) just leaving the drum solo. Lucky Man is largely left intact though. The effect of this is to balance out the solo material with much less emphasis on Emerson keyboards especially. Do I like it overall? On first listen I'm not sure to be honest but its an interesting experiment and at least you still have the orginal version to listen to all nicely remastered (an excellent job done in this respect). I will give my opinion on SW's Tarkus later.

Hi richardh,

I am glad you got yours, mine are crossing the Atlantic on the way to my house as we speak. I can't wait to play them!

One small detail. About your review of the 1st, ELP: Steven Wilson didn't want to really change anything. The 5.1 surround of The Three Fates and Tank are radically changed cause the orig. multitrack tapes were lost so he worked with the multichannel bits of tape he did have for The Three Fates. The 2channel mix taken from the stereo master has no changes at all, as all songs were available from that 2 channel master. So the only "changes" are on the 3rd 5.1 disc and were due to incomplete lost multichannel tapes.

I can't wait for my discs to arrive and also for Trilogy, BSS and Welcome Back and Pictures.

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Posted: August 29 2012 at 01:10

I don't have a surround sound system so I played the DVD-A through my stereo system selecting the 'enhanced stereo' option and it sounds excactly like the CD but I guess thats to be expected.

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Posted: August 28 2012 at 15:56

mantifluid wrote:

My ELP box sets have been dispatched, I would like to know if there is a dvda mix, and has any one heared it yet.

Yes there is one made by Steven Wilson, a review coming soon, check your friend Google... Wink

In the meantime, you can check this thread :

http://www.quadraphonicquad.com/forums/showthread.php?16499-Emerson-Lake-amp-Palmer-TARKUS-DVD-A

Edited by rdtprog - August 28 2012 at 15:59

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Posted: August 28 2012 at 15:11

My ELP box sets have been dispatched, I would like to know if there is a dvda mix, and has any one heared it yet.

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Posted: August 26 2012 at 16:53

Had a few listens to Tarkus. SW had done quite a bit with the transitions on the suite but not too much meddling thankfully.Side Two always had a lot more potential for improvement and thats where I think SW has done his best work on the ELP reissues. The Only Way ,always a good track, now gives me goosepbumps. The church organ sounds even more splendid as does Lake's singing. The first bonus track Oh, My Father is a gem , very emotional and unusually soulfull (for ELP). Unknown Ballad is a real curiosity and hardly sounds like ELP at all. Only Lake speaking at the end convinces me its ELP! Finally there is an alternate version of Mass which works quite nicely as a seperate track.

All in all great job by Steven on both discs. Looking forward to SW hopefully getting his hands on Trilogy and BSS.

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Posted: August 26 2012 at 16:43

So they are now here!!

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Posted: August 26 2012 at 09:01

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Great! My Tarkus is damaged

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Posted: August 26 2012 at 03:39

Edited by richardh - August 26 2012 at 16:43

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Posted: July 06 2012 at 20:50

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Here is the full press release on the R&T reissues with 5.1 Surround Sound

PROG ROCKERS EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER’S DEBUT ALBUM AND TARKUS. BOTH ALBUMS AVAILABLE AS

3-DISC DELUXE SETS ON SEPTEMBER 11

Albums To Include New 5.1 And Stereo Mixes

Both Albums To Be Released On Limited Edition 180 Gram Audiophile Vinyl

Thanks BobNYC, Smile

I already have ordered both from Amazon.co.uk. Too bad USA release is later. Stupid release dates always different. Why not just sell the stuff to us, ok? Why jerk around the true fans with all the different release dates???

Anyway, as soon as those fine English gentlemen send me my copies across the Atlantic I will be BLASTING the 5.1 mix so loud, the bloody Queen of England will be able to hear it!

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Posted: July 06 2012 at 16:10

$20 for the vinyl remaster.......That's a deal! I have a German print of Tarkus from 1972 that is pretty darn good, a bit noisy in the begining but everything else is good......Side B is pristine (I have played it maybe 3x.....

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Here is the full press release on the R&T reissues with 5.1 Surround Sound

RAZOR & TIE ANNOUNCES RE-ISSUES OF LEGENDARY

PROG ROCKERS EMERSON, LAKE & PALMER’S DEBUT ALBUM AND TARKUS. BOTH ALBUMS AVAILABLE AS

3-DISC DELUXE SETS ON SEPTEMBER 11

Albums To Include New 5.1 And Stereo Mixes

Both Albums To Be Released On Limited Edition 180 Gram Audiophile Vinyl

Special ELP Merchandise Pre-order Bundles Now Available Now At http://elp.merchnow.com

The Emerson, Lake & Palmer 40^th Anniversary Concert To Exclusively Premiere On AXS TV This August

(New York, NY) – Razor & Tie is set to release the first two Emerson, Lake & Palmer re-issues of the band’s first two albums: Emerson, Lake & Palmer (1970 – Studio Album) and Tarkus (1971 – Studio Album) on September 11th. Both records will be available as 3-disc deluxe editions containing never before released 5.1 Surround Sound and Stereo Mixes, including previously unheard out-takes. Three time Grammy-nominated producer and engineer Steven Wilson (who has also recently remixed classic albums by Jethro Tull and King Crimson for acclaimed 40th anniversary editions) worked from the original Greg Lake produced multi-track tapes to remix both albums.

Fans can also purchase Emerson, Lake & Palmer and Tarkus deluxe editions at http://elp.merchnow.com/ where the albums will be bundled with a variety of ELP t-shirts perfect for any collector. Pre-orders are available now for the deluxe albums, vinyl re-presses and a selection of Emerson, Lake & Palmer t-shirts.

Emerson, Lake & Palmer and Tarkus will also be released on limited edition 180 gram audiophile vinyl. The records will be re-pressed and released with their original packaging and track listings. The vinyl re-presses will be available September 11^th as well.

Both albums will also be digitally, specifically mastered for iTunes by Grammy-award winning engineer Brad Blackwood (Alison Krauss & Union Station, Maroon 5, North Mississippi Allstars, Saving Abel).

AXS TV will also exclusively premiere the Emerson, Lake & Palmer 40^th Anniversary concert this August. The legendary Rock Band reunited to celebrate their 40th Anniversary and headlined London's first High Voltage Rock Festival. This was the historic moment when Emerson Lake and Palmer performed for the first time since 1998. This spectacular performance with extravagant special effects and lighting recaptured the magic and musical genius of Keith Emerson, Greg Lake and Carl Palmer as they performed their greatest hits in front of thousands of fans and leaving a lasting memory of the stunning musicianship of these three legendary performers.

Razor & Tie’s full catalogue re-issue campaign will continue with the release of newly expanded, re-mastered, editions of four additional ELP classic albums: Pictures At An Art Exhibition (1971- Live Album), Trilogy (1972- Studio Album), Brain Salad Surgery (1973- Studio Album), and Welcome Back My Friends To The Show That Never Ends – Ladies & Gentlemen (1974- Live Album).

Considered by many to be one of rock’s original first super-groups, Emerson Lake & Palmer formed in England in 1970 consisting of Keith Emerson (keyboards), Greg Lake (bass guitar, vocals, guitar) and Carl Palmer (drums, percussion). The band created a brand new world of music, combining classical and symphonic rock fused with beautiful vocals. Their penchant for appropriating themes from classical music and the group’s more nuanced, textured approach to symphonic arrangements set ELP apart from their more bombastic guitar-based contemporaries of the time. This subtler and more sublime approach carries on today in the expansive atmospherics of Radiohead and Muse and also in the prog-influenced sphere of band’s like Porcupine Tree, Dream Theatre, Opeth and many others, making ELP one of the more relevant torchbearers of the progressive rock sound. Along with Yes, King Crimson, Genesis, and Rush, Emerson Lake and Palmer ushered in the Prog era and as one of the most commercially successful rock bands of the 1970’s having sold over 40 million albums. ELP’s dramatic flair, sincere passion, labyrinthine song structures, and symphony-worthy virtuosity proved that classical rockers could compete for arena-scale audiences as the band headlined stadium tours around the world.

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Posted: June 30 2012 at 11:54

INB4 Steven Wilson releases a triple solo album inspired by ELP.

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Posted: June 30 2012 at 03:52

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the deluxe edition of BSS was a big disappointment to me although perhaps I don't have the equipment to appreciate it to be honest

if you don't have them already then I would recommend the deluxe editions of Pictures and Welcome Back My Friends. Both are excellent quality and Pictures has an audio of the 1970 Lyceum gig nicely cleaned up.

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Thanks for the recommendations. I had no idea there were Deluxe editions of those.
As for BSS Deluxe, I am mostly in it for the SACD. It is said to sound slightly better than the DVD-A. It is out of print and goes for insane amounts of money so I would be better off waiting for the new set announced by Razor and Tie albeit there are no details about that one.