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DamoXt7942
Forum & Site Admin Group Avant/Cross/Neo/Post Teams Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17488 |
Topic: Jack O' The Clock (U.S.) for RIO/Avant Posted: November 17 2013 at 07:02 |
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octopus-4
Special Collaborator RIO/Avant/Zeuhl,Neo & Post/Math Teams Joined: October 31 2006 Location: Italy Status: Offline Points: 13431 |
Posted: September 27 2013 at 04:47 | ||
Nice to see that Thinguma*jigSaw. have found a place in your memory They have recently performed a farewell gig before disbanding, I think in Dublin.
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wowie
Forum Newbie Joined: January 09 2006 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 22 |
Posted: September 25 2013 at 06:56 | ||
im really not upset or criticize a personal act or statement ... im just trying to convince about a specific view of prog that is necessary to value a specific bands status to be prog or not.
im not sayin that anybody personal is doin a bad job in relation to the work that is expected by the rulers of the db. Seems you are doing just what is somehow needed and thats okay with me as it belongs to the range of the private db. But its kind of different when it comes to prog culture and perspectives in general as this is something that is open information and a room that interacts with all others and should be discussed freely. For me its massively equal which category they are in but they should be in here anywhere. So im just discussing the perspective on the band BUT this just correlates with a general view of prog and the subgenres. sorry as i really havent checked/understand Kens posting ... and my last stand was "already rejected from both". anyway the decision is not there and even if it would, i can still try to convince, cant i? of course not permanently as we also need room for others, i really dont want to continue this til the end of the year as i already stated to wait for the next release. So im really not upset or something, this is just normal discussion and campaigning for me. but some people are really not interested in doing or registering this. Sad me but in the end i guess i dont hang up on this. So dont worry ;) im maybe upset about the idea, that learning it by myself is the best way of learning it. Maybe because someone ask questions, why and where, gets no answers and in the end its his fault not to do it right. And because a theme is discussed many times but always imprecisely and without a new and better result is no reason to make the discussion obsolete. Well sarcasm and provocative thoughts result often in harsh comments ... this was also expected. Sorry for the not fitting and political incorrect input. Edited by wowie - September 25 2013 at 07:00 |
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DamoXt7942
Forum & Site Admin Group Avant/Cross/Neo/Post Teams Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17488 |
Posted: September 24 2013 at 08:30 | ||
Cool down and wait for Prog Folk Team's decision, wowie.
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seventhsojourn
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 11 2009 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 4006 |
Posted: September 24 2013 at 04:59 | ||
How many times do I have to say that I think they belong in Prog Folk? That is not my decision of course, but Ken has already posted at the top of this page that he has voted ''yes'' and is just waiting for Bob's input.
Expressing an opinion is one thing, but appearing to use the suggestion lounge to tell someone what a piss-poor job they're doing is something else. You've been a member three years longer than I have but I guess you've missed a lot. These horses have all been flogged well beyond death, but there are better places you can discuss them. Learn to use the search function please.
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wowie
Forum Newbie Joined: January 09 2006 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 22 |
Posted: September 24 2013 at 04:10 | ||
well, i love revolution and democracy, so YES im not accepting a NO that simple. and i think thats a good thing.
Specially if there is a heavy talk about the categorization on PA and of what is prog in general. i dont try to decide or dictate sth, its just a discussion. And im always happy if someone does not ignore the whishes (even if they seem stupid in the eyes of others) of the people. So minimum thanks for talking ... So imho its hard to define classic prog and i would not say that you cant find any elemnts of it in Jack O. The other question is, how much classic prog rock must be in there? In case of PA i think too much. And another radical question would be, can PROG be classic?? i totally accept that this is a private and mostly undemocratic db, so in the end its the choice of the admins and co. Its just so sad that prog is limiting itself, or gets limited by some critics. Even if the bands calling themselves prog rock. their tags on reverbnations are clear Folk / Progressive Rock / Experimental they tag themselves on bandcamp with avant rock experimental avant-folk avant-prog chamber folk chamber pop experimental prog rock in opposition singer-songwriter Oakland Babyblaue sites categorize them as Folk; RetroProg; RIO / Avant; Worldmusic / Ethno its on here http://newprogreleases.blogspot.de/2013/03/jack-o-clock-all-my-friends.html and here http://progulator.com/reviews/jack-othe-clock-all-my-friends/ so i dont want to be rude too, but sometimes you just have to fight for your right, chances and new possibilitys! For progress!!! this (ALL MY FRIENDS) is so so prog! and if mostly everybody believes it, its a question worth why the system isnt able to integrate them at the moment!? of course you can argue that there is more X then rock. So maybe we could classify them as a progressive folk outfit. but then there is again symphonic elements, electronic elements and rock elements. So this is also not fitting. you can add them to RIO/avant without problems, but i think that is also not the whole thing of Jack O. Therefor they have to much folk, symphonic and rock structures in there. And sorry, what do i get when i take rock, folk, symphonic and experimental stuff together? i thought thats kind of classic rock? sorry for the sarcasm, but it seems so obvious for me. anyway, for the systems stability and for the fortune/misfortune of the band, we can wait until the next release. but i think we, the usual folks, should be more open, flexible and progressive, this really doesnt hurt. Except the rock maybe ;) |
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ProgShine
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 04 2005 Location: Kalisz, Poland Status: Offline Points: 1256 |
Posted: September 20 2013 at 10:48 | ||
No no Chris, I wasn't asnwering directly for you on a personal level really I was just speaking my mind about some bands that are on PA, and they have little or nothing Prog and some bands that are never added and they do have. Just that Well, if it's a no it's a no, but for me, and for my little Progshine Jack O' The Clock is a yes: http://www.progshine.net/2013/08/jack-o-clock.html |
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kenethlevine
Special Collaborator Prog-Folk Team Joined: December 06 2006 Location: New England Status: Offline Points: 8869 |
Posted: September 20 2013 at 07:39 | ||
I'll agree some of the stuff is more chambery experimental than folk, but most has some sort of lineage to folk, and they certainly seem to be attracting attention in prog circles and being compared to mostly prog acts. I'm not clear on why they should need to have been around since the 60s to be prog folk. We folkies are an old bunch but we can still get in board with new stuff. So I voted yes and am waiting for Clem's input.
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seventhsojourn
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 11 2009 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 4006 |
Posted: September 20 2013 at 03:31 | ||
Diego, I have never known you to be rude and in any case my comment was not directed at you. Did you follow the link I added in my previous post?
People who want to talk the talk should first walk the walk.
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Dean
Special Collaborator Retired Admin and Amateur Layabout Joined: May 13 2007 Location: Europe Status: Offline Points: 37575 |
Posted: September 19 2013 at 12:50 | ||
Quite.
This Blandcamp/SoundClown situation has got ridiculously out of control.
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What?
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timothy leary
Forum Senior Member Joined: December 29 2005 Location: Lilliwaup, Wa. Status: Offline Points: 5319 |
Posted: September 19 2013 at 12:22 | ||
I agree, what about this progressive rock masterpiece
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Guldbamsen
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23098 |
Posted: September 19 2013 at 12:06 | ||
The only way I could see this included in prog folk is if they were an act releasing albums back at the tail-end of the 60s, and if they'd had a serious impact on the scene and what was to come. They didn't though, because they're a new band. I agree entirely with Chris on this one. I don't hear any prog or rock for that matter. They might be a folk/chamber outfit with some experimental bits thrown in there, but I don't think they belong on this site.
Also, a band can be over the moon marvellous and riveting without having any connotations to prog. I really like Bob Dylan for example, yet I resist the urge to suggest him for inclusion......and he was just about the most progressive artist for his time.
Edited by Guldbamsen - September 19 2013 at 12:07 |
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ProgShine
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 04 2005 Location: Kalisz, Poland Status: Offline Points: 1256 |
Posted: September 19 2013 at 11:39 | ||
I don't want to be rude or anything. I can honestly receive a no, even if I don't agree with.
But I must say that after reviwing Active Heed's album (http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42688) I'm just astonished by what sometimes enter on PA with no difficult and what doesn't. Really. And this obviously isn't the only case, but I'll not go on this. |
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seventhsojourn
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 11 2009 Location: . Status: Offline Points: 4006 |
Posted: September 17 2013 at 17:29 | ||
Maybe the best thing is if people would actually take no for an answer.
That said, as far as I'm concerned and as far as just about every other site I've looked at is concerned and as far as the band themselves are concerned (see my post dated 24th March), this is a folk outfit. The purpose of my most recent post above was to ask if the PF Team would take one final shot with this artist. My apologies to the PF Team if I'm wasting their time by asking them to reconsider, but I hoped this would give us a final decision, one way or the other, with no further need for ping-ponging.
And David, I'm afraid I already posted in the PF team thread earlier, a couple of hours before you commented here.
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Guldbamsen
Special Collaborator Retired Admin Joined: January 22 2009 Location: Magic Theatre Status: Offline Points: 23098 |
Posted: September 17 2013 at 15:21 | ||
Maybe the best thing is to wait until the next one comes out. After all wowie just mentioned that he'd had a chat with one of the band members and they're apparently getting more into rock. Just a suggestion though, instead of ping ponging these guys back and forth
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“The Guide says there is an art to flying or rather a knack. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.”
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: September 17 2013 at 13:08 | ||
I've listened again to All My Friends and while this group is hard to classify that doesn't make them Eclectic Prog Rock. I really can't hear any classic prog rock in their music. Imo they are some kind of experimental / avant-chamber / acoustic / quirky folk. The only genres I see them in are Avant Prog or Folk so the best I can do is ask the PF Team to reconsider them.
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ProgShine
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 04 2005 Location: Kalisz, Poland Status: Offline Points: 1256 |
Posted: September 16 2013 at 02:38 | ||
Well, one thing everyone agree on. This IS Prog. So Eclectic it is.
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wowie
Forum Newbie Joined: January 09 2006 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 22 |
Posted: September 15 2013 at 08:40 | ||
this is just normal prog.
as this category isnt available in PROG ARCHIVES, i would say its ECLECTIC. i also had a chat with Daimon Waitkus and he said they are getting more rock into it at the moment. |
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DamoXt7942
Forum & Site Admin Group Avant/Cross/Neo/Post Teams Joined: October 15 2008 Location: Okayama, Japan Status: Offline Points: 17488 |
Posted: September 15 2013 at 06:32 | ||
Sorry but already rejected also in Avant.
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ProgShine
Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: March 04 2005 Location: Kalisz, Poland Status: Offline Points: 1256 |
Posted: September 09 2013 at 03:03 | ||
This is a bit frustrating, they should be here but nobody know where
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