neo prog - yummy or not yummy?

Bj-1 wrote: stonebeard wrote: NOT YUMMY!!!!! I agree

 you....you....you....

My only experience with it so far is Fish-era Marillion... and I find that to be terrible. They seem to be the most popular of the neo prog groups here, so I get the feeling I won't like the rest of it either.

Marillion yummy, rest not that yummy

I like Marillion

SUPER yummy 

In general, I find it crap and annoying...cheesy too...Marillion has some great stuff especially Script with Forgotten sons.

ivan_2068 wrote: Not as challenging as good old Symphonic, but there are some good bands and albums like Masquerade Overture by Pendragon. Iván

I don't know how is the album in its entire, but I listen to the mp3 on this site and really, I don't think prog can be more cheesy than that (oh yes, maybe there is more to this world by the flower kings ). IQ has some great stuff, but na.....not my cup of tea, really !

NOT YUMMY... 

stonebeard wrote: ivan_2068 wrote: Not as challenging as good old Symphonic, but there are some good bands and albums like Masquerade Overture by Pendragon. Iván You're a Marillion fan, right Ivan?

 

Now seriously, I like some Fish era songs, but not a Marillion fan, even when I consider Script for a Jester's Tear a very good album.

Iván

People have many pre-concepts about neo-prog. Furthermore, the “experts” had given to this sub-genre a non-accurate definition, specially this part:

“The music holds a much more lush sound than general rock, but lacks the sophistication of truly symphonic progressive bands like Yes or amel. Instrumentally, the bands tend to be characterized by a "noodling" approach that focuses on dynamic solos, and at its best, neo-prog lyrics are deep, insightful, and acerbic. Whether neo-prog is diluted progressive or adventurous pop depends on the point of view of the listener — most progressive rock listeners are likely to find the genre dull and unchallenging, while fans of AOR will find the mix more interesting than most rock bands. Although all of the major bands are still producing albums, the classic era of neo-prog effectively ended when vocalist Fish left Marillion in 1987.”



IMHO, I think:

1)    Neo-Prog is located 1,000,000 light years from Pop/AOR, and just around the corner of the “truly symphonic progressive” rock music.
2)    Neo-Prog has tons of albums better than “Open Your Eyes” or “Big Generator”.
3)    How is possible that “the classic era of neo-prog effectively ended when vocalist Fish left Marillion in 1987”, when 19/25 of the Neo Progressive key albums are edited > 1987 ?


Possibly, the only problem with neo-prog is there are on the road many “Salieris” and just a few “Mozarts” ...

Lateralus_66 wrote: People have many pre-concepts about neo-prog. Furthermore, the “experts” had given to this sub-genre a non-accurate definition, specially this part: “The music holds a much more lush sound than general rock, but lacks the sophistication of truly symphonic progressive bands like Yes or amel. Instrumentally, the bands tend to be characterized by a "noodling" approach that focuses on dynamic solos, and at its best, neo-prog lyrics are deep, insightful, and acerbic. Whether neo-prog is diluted progressive or adventurous pop depends on the point of view of the listener — most progressive rock listeners are likely to find the genre dull and unchallenging, while fans of AOR will find the mix more interesting than most rock bands. Although all of the major bands are still producing albums, the classic era of neo-prog effectively ended when vocalist Fish left Marillion in 1987.” IMHO, I think: 1)    Neo-Prog is located 1,000,000 light years from Pop/AOR, and just around the corner of the “truly symphonic progressive” rock music. 2)    Neo-Prog has tons of albums better than “Open Your Eyes” or “Big Generator”. 3)    How is possible that “the classic era of neo-prog effectively ended when vocalist Fish left Marillion in 1987”, when 19/25 of the Neo Progressive key albums are edited > 1987 ? Possibly, the only problem with neo-prog is there are on the road many “Salieris” and just a few “Mozarts” ...

I believe this is not a very accurate definition, some people believe Neo Prog started with A Trick of theTail and nobody can assure when their golden era finished, I would risk to say that with the release of Hybris in the early 90's.

I stay with the shorter and more precise definition from GEPR, :

Neo-Progressive Symphonic rock done in a typically more simple or commercial format. Also very lush but lacking the complexity of the upper bands. Bands Marillion, IQ, Pendragon, Aragon, etc.

Doesn't mention AOR or Genesis influence, not inaccurate or unproved info, just a simple cold musical definition is in us to find more if we feel we can be interested.

Iván

Edited by ivan_2068

Simple medodies, sure. But "poppier?" Surely not for a good number of Neo-prog songs/bands. And I would say Pendragon (TMO as and example) rivals Yes and perhaps even Genesis in complexity.