More Fool Me

FragileDT wrote: Fearless wrote:   Quote: Agreed. It is completely out of place. You have songs that are written extremely well with lyrics that are very extensive and than you have "More Fool Me." Okay he talks about trouble in a relationship and than says theyll make it alright, than why are you writing a song about it? If you are telling yourself its all gonna be alright its okay than just tell it to yourself, don't write a song about it on such a well written album. It does lower my score of "Selling England" just a bit. /Quote     ^This is the kind of statement that I would expect from Vh 1 or Rolling Stone.  It's okay to not like the song (of course it's personal opinion).  But it's important to understand that SEbtP is a concept album (somewhat) about the downfall of England.  The song is definately not "pointless", it is about deception.  And Collins isn't telling himself that it will be alright, he is telling his lover that it will be alright, even after she left him he still loves her.  However there are several meanings one can get from this song, but this is the easiest to explain.  It just bothers me when people ignorantly say that More Fool Me is pointless.  Even if you don't think that it fits in, it still has a point, just listen to it in the context of the album.   What reviews have you read, or statements from the rolling stone or VH1 that would criticize short, radio friendly songs, with a repeating chorus that would fit well with any pop station? Does Rolling Stone and VH1 praise well written lyrics (rest of album) and think that lyrics about love that every person can relate to are pointless? I have never thought of it in context to the album because it is, in fact, almost hard to believe that it relates. I understand (sort of) the point your getting at but even if you relate More Fool Me with the album (and that is a far, far stretch) how are you relating it with the downfall of England? Do you mean that people are losing some morality in england at the time and divorce and breakups are more readily available? I'm kind of losing you here, but if you are right and it does indeed relate the the concept, I will not say it is out of place anymore and I will stand corrected. I understand if you have a deep connection with the song and the theme (that I may be missing) but I still don't understand where the rolling stone comes in from the comment that I wrote.

The Vh1 comment comes from the way that you ignorantly made fun of the lyrics without understanding them or knowing what they mean.  And btw, the bash short radio songs all the time, have you ever seen the "Awesomely bad" countdowns?  I think I've seen more Phil Collins songs on there than any other artist.

As for the concept of SEbtP, and how MFM relates:  instead of trying to explain that (I already attempted to), just read the collaborators reviews, particularly Sean Trane's review.

Btw, I appreciate your humble attitude toward my opinion.

well, this is just like me in that I like songs that no one else is know would even listen to let alone like

Hoily God, I reead shorter threads about great albums, but we lost 3 pages on this crappy, cheesy ballad.

Iván

No way I would give SEBTP 5 stars, mostly because of the infamous More Fool Me and the mediocre I Know What I Like.

Try Foxtrot, it's perfect, not a weak song.

Iván

The Miracle wrote: ^Nursery Cryme is perfect too. Listening to it now. Both For Absent Friends and Harlequin fit so perfectly... People tend to compare them to MFM, but there is a difference: they are transitions, adding atmosphere to the album and making it more whole, they're not pop ballads, and they're a minute long each. totally different category IMO. I Know What I Like and MFM sound like painful distractions(to me)

I always had a problem chosing betwen Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot, always saw this two albums as two sides of the same coin, both very dark and atmospheric, with Hackett working perfectly with Banks, Gabriel at his natural vocal range peak, my two favorites.

Nursery Cryme has my all time favorite track (Musical Box) and two top 10 (Fountain of Salmacis and The Return of the Giant Hogweed), Foxtrot on the other hand my second favorite (Can-Utility and the Coastliners), the only real Genesis epic, but has no weak racks, For Absent Friends is not as bad as More Fool Me, but it doesn't fit perfectly in such  a great album.

Still can't decide which one I like more.

Iván