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Posted: November 09 2005 at 22:41 |
Despite what the critics say I cant seem to get into porcupine tree and I fail to see their progressive brilliance ... infact I see them as nothing more than a souped up radiohead with some prog trates combined with some pink floyd elements in their early days .. but maybe I`m missing something , so what are your thoughts ...are porcupine tree overrated ? 
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 22:48 |
I really don't see what all the fuss over the last couple of albums is all about. Pretty boring and uninspiring if you ask me.
However, their earlier stuff intrigues me. I haven't really heard enough to pass a proper judgement i'll admitt, but i've heard enough to know that i think i'd have to be in a certain mood to appreciate any of their music. Sometimes it would seem cool and interesting, other times boring and inappropriate (to my mood).
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 22:51 |
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I share a similar view of them. I'd much rather hear them be space rock
than... alternative or whatever it is they're sitting with now.
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 23:00 |
 Reverie wrote:
I really don't see what all the fuss over the last couple of albums is all about. Pretty boring and uninspiring if you ask me.
However, their earlier stuff intrigues me. I haven't really heard enough to pass a proper judgement i'll admitt, but i've heard enough to know that i think i'd have to be in a certain mood to appreciate any of their music. Sometimes it would seem cool and interesting, other times boring and inappropriate (to my mood). |
yes I don`t mind "The sky moves sideways" that was much more interesting than what they are doing now (strange thing is now they are so popular) its reminding me of Genesis ...become boring get the fans !
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 23:41 |
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They are moving into mainstream, nothing wrong with that. I don't begrudge anyone trying to make more money out of their chosen profession
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Posted: November 09 2005 at 23:45 |
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I don't think they are overrated at all.I love their early spacier stuff but also really like the heaviness of the newer albums.If you get into a lot of the side projects Steven Wilson does you would see what a diverse musician he is.I think the man is a musical genius,to tell you the truth.
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 00:04 |
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Quite possible, though I havent heard enough to judge them properly.
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 00:21 |
NO 
Porcupine Tree are not overrated. they are one of the best, if
not the best, modern prog groups. Their music is a perfect blend
of spacey ambience and solid modern rock. Each member of
the band is a brilliant musician. their music is original and
daring, but listenable. frankly, they are the only prog band i
can put on the stereo with people around and they say 'hey, whos that,
theyre pretty good'. they strike me as one of the few modern prog
bands that isnt trying to copy one or more of the 70s bands (yes, they
sound a lot like PF at times, but their music goes so far beyond that).
I hope this doesnt read like a typical fanboy response, but I have only
recently been initiated into the ranks of "people who enjoy porcupine
tree" and I really feel that they outperform all of their peers and
probably have the best chance of breaking out of obscurity (not that I
really want prog to be in the mainstream, but....)
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 00:23 |
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 01:08 |
When I think of musical genius I think of ... Peter Gabriel ... Jordan Rudess ... Robert Fripp ... Kerry Livgren ... Roine Stolt ... Neil Peart ... Jim Matheos ... Carl Cadden James ... Trent Gardner ... Neal Morse ...Peter Hammill ... so on , I definatly wouldn`t put anybody member of Porcupine Tree in that same class of musical genius ... Not even close to it ! Thats the trouble with Porcupine Tree theres nothing outstanding about them in any way. Steven Wilson you say ? whatever 
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 01:52 |
s1ipp3ry wrote:
When I think of musical genius I think of
... Peter Gabriel ... Jordan Rudess ... Robert Fripp ...
Kerry Livgren ... Roine Stolt ... Neil Peart ... Jim Matheos ... Carl
Cadden James ... Trent Gardner ... Neal Morse ...Peter
Hammill ... so on , I definatly wouldn`t put anybody
member of Porcupine Tree in that same class of musical
genius ... Not even close to it ! Thats the trouble with
Porcupine Tree theres nothing outstanding about them in any
way. Steven Wilson you say ? whatever |
You are certainly entitled to your opinion.
As I am entitled to mine.
I thoroughly enjoy pretty much all of PT's catalog of diverse PROG.
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 04:02 |
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Hm well i dont think PT is far from having anything close to a masterpiece...it justs sounds like pretty simple songs that is pretty close to what coldplay do...atleast on the in absinthia album...infact i have not heard a really proggy song done once by PT so i dont get what the fuzz is about...they are WAAAAAAAAAY to simple to be appreciated as masterpieces
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 04:06 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
I don't think they are overrated at all.I love their early spacier stuff but also really like the heaviness of the newer albums.If you get into a lot of the side projects Steven Wilson does you would see what a diverse musician he is.I think the man is a musical genius,to tell you the truth. |
Agreed. There's something special about a guy who is able to make so much brilliant music all on his own, without a band. (Insignificance, Yellow Hedgerow Dreamscape, Staircase Infinities, On the Sunday of Life, Voyage 34, Up the Downstair)
His work with Tim Bowness in No-Man is extremely good as well.
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 04:08 |
for pop/prog i prefer A.C.T which is really great 
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 04:08 |
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I've only heard "The Sky Moves Sideways" but I think it's excellent and
I will be buying more PT. I gather the music has evolved and changed
and is now harder edged but I think change is no bad thing. Steve
Wilson is clearly a very talented guy, whether he deserves the "genius"
tag, well I clearly haven't heard enough to give an opinion.
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 04:23 |
s1ipp3ry wrote:
Reverie wrote:
I really don't see what all the fuss over the last couple of albums is all about. Pretty boring and uninspiring if you ask me.
However, their earlier stuff intrigues me. I haven't really heard
enough to pass a proper judgement i'll admitt, but i've heard enough to
know that i think i'd have to be in a certain mood to appreciate any of
their music. Sometimes it would seem cool and interesting, other times
boring and inappropriate (to my mood). |
yes I don`t
mind "The sky moves sideways" that was much more interesting than
what they are doing now (strange thing is now they are so
popular) its reminding me of Genesis ...become boring get the
fans ! |
Even with that.. the sky moves sideways isn't EXEPTIONAL.. All the
works of porcupine tree are way too much appreciated than it really is..
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:03 |
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They are good musicians and they have appreciations from musicians of
the former prog generation (fripp for ex) but to be honest their music
don't stike me too much...
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:04 |
NO! Just listen to the album Lightbulb Sun. You can almost
feel the afternoon sunshine run through your ears...
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:07 |
i find it incredible that someone that writes this simple and un-original music can be accepted as a genius whitin the prog-genre
the music is good but it is far away from being genius
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Posted: November 10 2005 at 05:08 |
jackinthegreen wrote:
NO! Just listen to the album Lightbulb Sun. You can almost
feel the afternoon sunshine run through your ears... |
yeah wow.. the sun is a lightbulb.. and the sky is a tree..
damn nonsence
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