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valravennz 
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 Posted: November 10 2005 at 21:00 |
Porcupine Tree are underrated severely, especially where I come from. I own 6 of their albums and I like each one as an individual piece of work. In Absentia gets the most play but I am also very keen of The Sky Moves Sideways for its spacey ambience. PT is mood music to me. So I have to feel like I really need a dose of them before I play an album. On saying that, PT are the most exciting prog group today. Steve Wilson has done an outstanding job to create such diversity of themes musically, from PT's inception to the PT of now - thats my opinion and I cannot see that changing any time soon. 
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 07:18 |
 Tony R wrote:
Under wrote:
intro of the evening (just him with his guitar) and that made surely was very ok.
I am suprised by the opinion of Maidenrulez. I do remember having seen a nice picture where Steve Wilson was kissed......
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That was Threefates!
Her maiden days were over a long time ago...
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You must eat a lot of broccoli. Great memory.
Thanks and sorry Maidenrulez. What was I thinking. You would never kiss Steve Wilson or would you?
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 08:12 |
skarabrae wrote:
Porcupine Tree has some cool tunes. I really like "Halo". I
don't really think they have done anything truelly original ...
nothing stands out to me. They don't sound like anything I've
never heard before. Maybe for that reason they are overrated,
but I listen to them anyway. They are current ... something new
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I am not trying to pick on you but you really contradicted yourself.
You say:
You don't think they have done anything original,nothing stands out.Also they are something new but not very different...
But then:
They don't sound like anything you have ever heard before
If they don't sound like anything you have ever heard before I would call that very ORIGINAL.
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 09:00 |
I love this band. I think that Wilson's writing skill are the best in the prog world today. He really know's how to write songs and create the correct mood. Beautiful chord changed, with a funky beat and bass line. Beautiful lyrics. Its just brillinat.
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 09:15 |
BePinkTheater wrote:
I love this band. I think that Wilson's writing skill are the best in the prog world today. He really know's how to write songs and create the correct mood. Beautiful chord changed, with a funky beat and bass line. Beautiful lyrics. Its just brillinat.
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I never created this topic to pick on porcupine tree my aim was to gain a better understanding of them ... um ... I still can`t say I get them ? To me prog means something other than what Porcupine Tree seem to dish out (talking the last two cds)
With all the fuss over Porcupine Tree they seem to be more alternative hard rock more so than prog, for this I regard them as an overrated prog band and an underrated alternative rock band. Probably the best alternative rock band ever ! but not even close to the best when it comes to progressive rock ! 
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 09:45 |
When I think of musical genius I think of ... Peter Gabriel ... Jordan Rudess ... Robert Fripp ... Kerry Livgren ... Roine Stolt ... Neil Peart ... Jim Matheos ... Carl Cadden James ... Trent Gardner ... Neal Morse ...Peter Hammill ... so on , I definatly wouldn`t put anybody member of Porcupine Tree in that same class of musical genius ... Not even close to it ! Thats the trouble with Porcupine Tree theres nothing outstanding about them in any way. Steven Wilson you say ? whatever 
Edited by s1ipp3ry on 2005 10 November at 01:34
peter gabriel musical genius? A good singer but more of a broadway showman. Jordan Rudess, while I think he is awesome, he isn't even the best keyboardest that Dream Theater has had. Fripp is a genius. Neil Peart while I love his work is not a genius, he is a drummer a great drummer but thet is it. Neal Morse is getting more and more cheesy, Kerry Livgren is a joke as is Kansas, their early albums were good, but they were crap after a certain point. Steve Wilson is not one dimensional like your geniuses with the exception of Fripp. Wilson is progressing with each piece of music he puts out, regardless of Porcupine Tree, No-Man, Bass Communion, I.E.M, Blackfield, under his own name. The truth of the matter is that you are not as progressive as you think. You want to stick with the same sounds as the 70's. You don't want new innovations, you want the same stuff. Wilson is progress.
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 09:48 |
JohnSnow wrote:
When I think of musical genius I think of ... Peter Gabriel ... Jordan Rudess ... Robert Fripp ... Kerry Livgren ... Roine Stolt ... Neil Peart ... Jim Matheos ... Carl Cadden James ... Trent Gardner ... Neal Morse ...Peter Hammill ... so on , I definatly wouldn`t put anybody member of Porcupine Tree in that same class of musical genius ... Not even close to it ! Thats the trouble with Porcupine Tree theres nothing outstanding about them in any way. Steven Wilson you say ? whatever
Edited by s1ipp3ry on 2005 10 November at 01:34
peter gabriel musical genius? A good singer but more of a broadway showman. Jordan Rudess, while I think he is awesome, he isn't even the best keyboardest that Dream Theater has had. Fripp is a genius. Neil Peart while I love his work is not a genius, he is a drummer a great drummer but thet is it. Neal Morse is getting more and more cheesy, Kerry Livgren is a joke as is Kansas, their early albums were good, but they were crap after a certain point. Steve Wilson is not one dimensional like your geniuses with the exception of Fripp. Wilson is progressing with each piece of music he puts out, regardless of Porcupine Tree, No-Man, Bass Communion, I.E.M, Blackfield, under his own name. The truth of the matter is that you are not as progressive as you think. You want to stick with the same sounds as the 70's. You don't want new innovations, you want the same stuff. Wilson is progress. |
wrong Shadow Gallery are progressive (for those in the know)
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 10:26 |
WILSON IS A GENIUS!! SAW HIM IN SHOW 2 TIMES AND HE IS A GREAT PERFOMER TOO!!
THE BAND IS FANTASTIC!!!!
THEY ARE THE FUTURE OF PROG!!!!!!
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 10:36 |
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I wouldn't rank SW as a genius, but deff. better than average. I think
Porcupine Tree is Steven Wilson's Solo carear, basically. He writes the
songs and is the frontman. Not to say the other people are bad or
anything, they just, well, do nothing. I think that if they were to
write with Steven Wilson Porcupine Tree would become an outstanding
band.
I don't think they're latest couple of albums are over rated at all. I
loved Deadwing and In Absentia, however I could never really get into
there older stuff. I think they were trying too much to be a 70's
progressive band and not be there own thing. (I really like No-Man,
though, and I guess that's kind of like early PT.)
As far as Musical genius's go, yes I would agree with Gabriel, Niel
Peart, Peter Hammil, etc. But those guys are beside the point of the
main topic, if I may.
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 10:39 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
skarabrae wrote:
Porcupine Tree has some cool tunes. I really like "Halo". I
don't really think they have done anything truelly original ...
nothing stands out to me. They don't sound like anything I've
never heard before. Maybe for that reason they are overrated,
but I listen to them anyway. They are current ... something new
(not very different). |
I am not trying to pick on you but you really contradicted yourself.
You say:
You don't think they have done anything original,nothing stands out.Also they are something new but not very different...
But then:
They don't sound like anything you have ever heard before
If they don't sound like anything you have ever heard before I would call that very ORIGINAL.
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He said that don't sound like anything he's Never heard before. It might be an awkward way of phrasing it, but there's no contradiction.
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 14:17 |
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No...I would actually say Porcupine Tree is under-rated. |
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 14:30 |
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The future of prog indeed !!! saw them live and absolutely fantastic
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 19:25 |
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PT are doing for Prog what those with foresight, musical
insightfullness and the ability to carry it off, did throughout the
other decades. If it wasn't for bands like PT, prog as a
vibrant,'progressing' genre, might very well die out. Sure, they
incorporate elements that can be associated with mainstream but even
some 'mainstream' is simply trying to echo life in some form. The
artist catches the fusion of sounds and ideas and according to their
individual abilities and based upon the vision they have for their
music, they put it out there and every little hungry bear soaks it up
and either spits it out or chews on it and feedsback about it, just
like we are doing. PT are cleverly not listening to the pundits who
would have them fit into their own little box of what their style of
prog means and are making something of themselves and are creating
excellent musical experiences in the process.
If it wasn't for bands like them, the term dinosaur would be a
justifiable epitath for this type of music. By the way, try and keep in
mind that I didn't say they were the only ones. They are though IMO,
the Floyds (albeit a metamorphised brand) of the 21st century.
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:30 |
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I think Porcupine Tree has been very overrated. Mainly because I've never, ever heard of them until I saw your post. Or maybe that makes them underrated.....
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:46 |
Not overrated. You should see them performing live!
Very, very prog, interesting, and I really enjoyed some of their heavy riffs lately...
Although deadwing contains some 'weak' songs, it's generally good.
I would agree that they used to experiment more in the early days.
But this is the common situation... (damn!)
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:52 |
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 20:53 |
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BePinkTheater
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 21:28 |
GPFR wrote:
I wouldn't rank SW as a genius, but deff. better than average. I think Porcupine Tree is Steven Wilson's Solo carear, basically. He writes the songs and is the frontman. Not to say the other people are bad or anything, they just, well, do nothing. I think that if they were to write with Steven Wilson Porcupine Tree would become an outstanding band.
I don't think they're latest couple of albums are over rated at all. I loved Deadwing and In Absentia, however I could never really get into there older stuff. I think they were trying too much to be a 70's progressive band and not be there own thing. (I really like No-Man, though, and I guess that's kind of like early PT.)
As far as Musical genius's go, yes I would agree with Gabriel, Niel Peart, Peter Hammil, etc. But those guys are beside the point of the main topic, if I may.
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See I dont think it is a solo carrer. Yes he writes the music and plays the most instruments, but to say that the rest of the band doesnt add anytihng is kind of ignorant. The bass lines really add alot to many songs. The same witht he drums. I think all around they are a good balance of eachother
I don't like Deadwing that much, but Love In absentia. ( I haven't heard any No-man stuff yet..)
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I can strangle a canary in a tin can and it would be really original, but that wouldn't save it from sounding like utter sh*t.
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 23:05 |
BePinkTheater wrote:
GPFR wrote:
I wouldn't rank SW as a genius,
but deff. better than average. I think Porcupine Tree is Steven
Wilson's Solo carear, basically. He writes the songs and is the
frontman. Not to say the other people are bad or anything, they just,
well, do nothing. I think that if they were to write with Steven Wilson
Porcupine Tree would become an outstanding band.
I don't think
they're latest couple of albums are over rated at all. I loved Deadwing
and In Absentia, however I could never really get into there older
stuff. I think they were trying too much to be a 70's progressive band
and not be there own thing. (I really like No-Man, though, and I guess
that's kind of like early PT.)
As far as Musical genius's go,
yes I would agree with Gabriel, Niel Peart, Peter Hammil, etc. But
those guys are beside the point of the main topic, if I may.
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See I dont think it is a solo carrer. Yes he writes the music and
plays the most instruments, but to say that the rest of the band doesnt
add anytihng is kind of ignorant. The bass lines really add alot to
many songs. The same witht he drums. I think all around they are a good
balance of eachother
I don't like Deadwing that much, but Love In absentia. ( I haven't heard any No-man stuff yet..)
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Since I have Deadwing with me write here, when you look in the back of the album packet thingy, it says:
"Music and Lyrics by Steven Wilson, except Halo, and Glass arm
Shattering- music by Porcupine Tree, and the start of something
beautiful- music by Steven Wilson and Gavin Harrison"
3 out of 10 tracks, thats only 30% not fully written by Steve Wilson.
So yes, the other band members don't do nothing, but the best tracks
IMO were steven wilson, which to me makes it basically his solo career.
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Posted: November 11 2005 at 23:18 |
s1ipp3ry wrote:
wrong Shadow Gallery are progressive (for those in the know) |
What's so progressive about them? I'm a fan of the band but I fail to
see how they're any more progressive than Porcupine Tree, and in terms
of songwriting ability, I'd place Steve Wilson miles ahead of Carl
Cadden-James (or any of SG's members, for that matter).
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