neo prog - yummy or not yummy?

Back in 1982 I was giving up on symphonic rock (not called "prog" by then) after the "ATTWT" of Genesis and "Drama" and subsequent albums of Yes (you see I'm a bit older than average here...). Marillion saved the day for me... When I heard Fish sing "So here I am once more..." I was hooked and became a huge fan of them. They carried the torch of symphonic rock through the '80 and for that I'm awfully grateful to them. So for me Neo-Prog is "Yummy" (also IQ I like very much)

I PREFERE 70's PROGRESSIVE BY FAR.NEO-PROG IS BORING, EXCEPT FOR SOME BANDS LIKE PORCUPINE TREE, THE FLOWER KINGS, ARS NOVA, GERARD, PAR LINDH, TOCCATA, TRESPASS, GLASS HAMMER, NUOVA ERA, ROMANTIC WARRIORS, EMPIRE, AND SOME OTHERS...

stonebeard wrote: ANDREW wrote: I PREFERE 70's PROGRESSIVE BY FAR.NEO-PROG IS BORING, EXCEPT FOR SOME BANDS LIKE PORCUPINE TREE, THE FLOWER KINGS, ARS NOVA, GERARD, PAR LINDH, TOCCATA, TRESPASS, GLASS HAMMER, NUOVA ERA, ROMANTIC WARRIORS, EMPIRE, AND SOME OTHERS... As far as I know, NONE of those bands are neo-prog.

HOW CAN YOU LOVE NEO-PROG IF YOU DON'T KNOW THESE BANDS??????????????????

ANDREW wrote: stonebeard wrote: ANDREW wrote: I PREFERE 70's PROGRESSIVE BY FAR.NEO-PROG IS BORING, EXCEPT FOR SOME BANDS LIKE PORCUPINE TREE, THE FLOWER KINGS, ARS NOVA, GERARD, PAR LINDH, TOCCATA, TRESPASS, GLASS HAMMER, NUOVA ERA, ROMANTIC WARRIORS, EMPIRE, AND SOME OTHERS... As far as I know, NONE of those bands are neo-prog. HOW CAN YOU LOVE NEO-PROG IF YOU DON'T KNOW THESE BANDS??????????????????

On this site:

Porcupine Tree = Space Rock

The Flower Kings = Symphonic Prog

Glass Hammer = Symphonic Prog

...The rest I'm not familiar with. I like all of the bands I mentioned above, but they're not neo-prog. If all or some of the rest are, then that's fine.

stonebeard wrote: ANDREW wrote: stonebeard wrote: ANDREW wrote: I PREFERE 70's PROGRESSIVE BY FAR.NEO-PROG IS BORING, EXCEPT FOR SOME BANDS LIKE PORCUPINE TREE, THE FLOWER KINGS, ARS NOVA, GERARD, PAR LINDH, TOCCATA, TRESPASS, GLASS HAMMER, NUOVA ERA, ROMANTIC WARRIORS, EMPIRE, AND SOME OTHERS... As far as I know, NONE of those bands are neo-prog. HOW CAN YOU LOVE NEO-PROG IF YOU DON'T KNOW THESE BANDS?????????????????? On this site: Porcupine Tree = Space Rock The Flower Kings = Symphonic Prog Glass Hammer = Symphonic Prog ...The rest I'm not familiar with. I like all of the bands I mentioned above, but they're not neo-prog. If all or some of the rest are, then that's fine.

I'll follow the race Stonebeard:

1. Ars Nova: Japanese Symphonic Prog
2. Par Lindh Project: One of the most obscure and elaborate Symphonic Prog bands ever, from the Swedish Symphonic rebirth of the 90's, in some albums a Swedish supergroup that included members of Anglagard plus Roine Stoltz. I would dare to say this Project is Symphonic/Gothic/Prog.
3. Gerard: Also Japanese band from the 21st Century, closer to Art Rock than to Neo Prog but with a jazzy touch. Even if some people consider Neo, they are not remotely representative of the sub-genre because too poppy.
4. Romantic Warrior: Hey, isn't this the name of a Return to Forever album? if it is, the band is clearly and 100% Fusion. If you are talking about the band Romantic Warrior, it's New Age
5. Trespass (Israel): Is a band from Israel clearly influenced by ELO, not Neo Prog either, closer to Symphonic, good band though, their album In Haze of Time has been largely reviewed here. If you're talking about Trespass (Germany), they are also Symphonic with a touch of Grobschnitt, would be very unusual to find 43 minute tracks in Neo Prog.
6. Tocatta: Never heard about them, even checked Allmusic and doesn't appear even there.
7. Empire: A 100% Italian Symphonic band from the 90's.

So I will also haveto disagree with you Andrew, none of this bands except maybe Glass Hammer and Tocatta (Because I heven't heard them), are Neo Prog, I'll go with Stonebeard this time.

Iván

stebo32 wrote: neo prog is   seriously, the only band that was almost "good" i found was "marillion"... but honestl, neo prog sounds like music you hear in super mario games... it's really too ghetto and ... dull Finally neo prog = NOT YUMMY!!!!!! get gummy bears instead, that's more yummy

Too ghetto????

WTF?????

I voted yummy (wadeva...) but I prefer..."GOOD" is the word.

stebo32 wrote: neo prog is   seriously, the only band that was almost "good" i found was "marillion"... but honestl, neo prog sounds like music you hear in super mario games... it's really too ghetto and ... dull Finally neo prog = NOT YUMMY!!!!!! get gummy bears instead, that's more yummy

I only disagree in a tiny little point: Marillion is not "almost" good, it is "good" indeed. besides, they kept prog alive almost single-handedly in the '80's (OK, there are also King Crimson and some German bands...) so they deserve a "salute" at least for the Fish era. For Hoghart era:  I even can't stand the longer numbers, which were scarce in Fish era...

I could go for some neo-prog recordings in the time of "despair", but there a re hell lot of remnants from the good old '70's, so I wouldn't bother... (I just saw marillion's fugazi album without a sleeve in a second-hand shop, and it was only 1 new Turkish liras (about $0.85!!!) and got it. FYI, other recors I bought were Tangerine dream's rubycon and stratosfear, J. Michel Jarre's Oxygene, Tubular Bells (1), klaus Schulze's Timewind, and Yes' Fragile and Yesterdays. I paid an average of 15 Liras ($12) for each, and I don't regret for a single penny! btw, I got all but Yesterdays in mp3 discs...)

I agree, stebo32... not yummy (so I voted). Gummy bears are more yummy, indeed And so is the lady in your signature  (don't anyone tell my wife!!!)

 

and trotsky, what does that IQ Dark Matter sound like?

There is yummy neo-prog and un-yummy neo prog. Some neo-prog is the denial of yumminess in itself, some if the personification of yummyhood.

Most neo prog that I like is '80's neo-prog, BTW. I see a progressive decline every next decade.

Edited by Moogtron III