Prog’s appeal to women

This is because of a cultural matter, that's for sure. The acceptance of what you (as a female/male) have to do... or being happy with what you are given, it's quite stupid. I've always questioned this "standart-ish" society in which you have to find your space and fulfill have you are supposed to do according to your standart. This happens to progressive rock today. Women are not supposed to listen to this "strange", "boring", and hard to get into "genre of music", and so is society.

The media is the reflection of what society is supposed to fulfill, and what we as zombies and not-thinker "human beings" have to do. BUT it's so strong the power it has, that there is the supposition that you can't do anything else than do whataver society tells you to do... and fulfill.

Women in their particular situation is not supposed to get into this strange kind of music... is not that their don't have the capacities to understand and grasp it. The fact is that we (in a way) behave and act according to how we are raised, and our relationships along our life. Beyond that, let's see in this sense: How many people listen to progressive rock... and how many people are raised in that kind of families? and, How many women are raised in a progressive rock-listener "family"? (to put it in a way).

Besides, talking about nowadays. The fact is that there are few sources from we can get music in this respect, and there are little, if nothing, exposure to this music... so, how can present society be expose to this music and be interesed, and finally get it, in a society that the only think that really cares is the NOW, and where there are not more choices and TIME to really get into one thing and analize... about things about not their life. AND we have to be account that music (in society) is taken as a hobby and one of the leaves that fulfill the tree of entertainment.

Whoa! This thread keeps on getting more interesting!

Crimsoner wrote: The media is the reflection of what society is supposed to fulfill, and what we as zombies and not-thinker "human beings" have to do. BUT it's so strong the power it has, that there is the supposition that you can't do anything else than do whataver society tells you to do... and fulfill.

Though I may have a little problem with understanding you correctly (?), I think you have a very strong point here, Crimsoner. It's indeed media, marketing etc. that puts a huge strain on people not to follow them but follow their own ideas instead. This is why Prog Music will always be something for a minority of self-thinking people, who don't need Major Record Companies telling them what is 'good' music and what isn't.

And indeed, women are pushed in a different direction than men are. Be pretty, be a perfect housewife, get your kiddies (even if you think most of them are screeching monsters), don't *ever* complain about your situation, etc. - hardly any time and/or energy left for exploring interesting music when you have to cope with all of these of society's expectations...

And, hah, about make-up and stuff. It has always *puzzled* me why the telly keeps on telling us ladies we should stuff our faces with 'nurturing creams' and such. If I were a male, I wouldn't want to wake up beside a woman whose face and pillow is all sticky because of all of the rubbish she puts on her face at night  ... and for your information, [ biologist speaking here ] 'nurturing/revitaling/ cell rejuvinating creams' don't even exist. If they actually did what the advertisements tell you, they'd be carcinogenic... [ /biologist speaking here]

Exactly!. Furthermore, (and i'm being a little too extremist hehehe) everything goes beyond and falls into the dualist game of Women/Men and what is its own role in society. Sadly, today's men and women role is put within a buyer/living-in-a-rush/"thinkers">according-to-what-you-h ave-to-fulfill- society.And there's (of course) not time to imagination, analisys about things beyond our" own lives.. and that's joined with the fact that in today's world idleness is seing as a fault in which if you are doung "nothing", you are not PRODUCING, and f you are not producing... bla bla.

So, in the fianl point, i'd say that the actual society is quite a "Society of Producer and not self-thinkers" in which you just have to identify yourself with something... then you're done... AND society is happy.

Crimsoner wrote: This is because of a cultural matter, that's for sure. The acceptance of what you (as a female/male) have to do... or being happy with what you are given, it's quite stupid. I've always questioned this "standart-ish" society in which you have to find your space and fulfill have you are supposed to do according to your standart. This happens to progressive rock today. Women are not supposed to listen to this "strange", "boring", and hard to get into "genre of music", and so is society. The media is the reflection of what society is supposed to fulfill, and what we as zombies and not-thinker "human beings" have to do. BUT it's so strong the power it has, that there is the supposition that you can't do anything else than do whataver society tells you to do... and fulfill. Women in their particular situation is not supposed to get into this strange kind of music... is not that their don't have the capacities to understand and grasp it. The fact is that we (in a way) behave and act according to how we are raised, and our relationships along our life. Beyond that, let's see in this sense: How many people listen to progressive rock... and how many people are raised in that kind of families? and, How many women are raised in a progressive rock-listener "family"? (to put it in a way). Besides, talking about nowadays. The fact is that there are few sources from we can get music in this respect, and there are little, if nothing, exposure to this music... so, how can present society be expose to this music and be interesed, and finally get it, in a society that the only think that really cares is the NOW, and where there are not more choices and TIME to really get into one thing and analize... about things about not their life. AND we have to be account that music (in society) is taken as a hobby and one of the leaves that fulfill the tree of entertainment.

Morality: turn off the TV!

oliverstoned wrote: Morality: turn off the TV!

 the latest edition of "Idols" nearly prompted me to throw the bloody thing out of the window.

To answer the question I think you need to find a book I found a few years ago called " What men know about women" its a book full of completely blank pages.

I don't know I think its the whole men are into rock becuase its quite macho and comes with the dream of being in a rock band and having loads of groupies. Not that women don't like rock I know plenty of girls who like rock and only one who likes prog rock (albeit prog-metal) by she is sadly engaged to one of my rock loving mates (he likes, prog, rock and metal)

My boyfriend asks me to "turn it down!" every time I put up my regular dose of death metal

Hah hah. Perfection isn't really possible...

Crimsoner wrote: Hierophant wrote: Although your english isn't great - I understand exactly what you are trying to say Yep, I think I need more practice.

Me too, but I use http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish and http://www.elmundo.es/traductor/ for translate, of course they not are very good translations webpage (especialy Babel Fish) but they works fine.

Sean Trane wrote: Yup, I read a lot of nonsense in this thread so far and outside Trotsky, only the women who took part in this thread made sense.

Ha - politically correct nonsense!

BaldJean wrote: you can't be expected to suddenly like the more complex structures of prog when you first listen to it at the age of 16; the synapses in your brain necessary for understanding and loving that kind of music just haven't been formed

Rising Force wrote: I started liking prog when I was 18......... And I used to listen to a lot of mainstream crap when I was younger.

So much for that theory!  Not sure if BaldJean is saying that once you hit 16 your musical prefs are determined for life by your synapses, or that you still need to develop those synapses to appreciate prog (but we all know prog's mostly an acquired taste so what's the point in that case?).  But people's musical tastes tend to change throughout their lives.

Sean Trane wrote: Fact: Women are more down to earth characters than men are>

Proof?

Sean Trane wrote: Beit linked to their reproductive abilities or not, they generally consider music...as linked with festivities and dancing

Which is essentially what AtLossForWords wrote, prior to Sean Trane's post:

AtLossForWords wrote: I think one of the reasons why women don't like prog is because it's not a gratuitous genre.  The showmanship isn't like that of pop bands or straight-up metal bands.  The focus is more on the music.  I think progressive music misses a lot of the non-musical components that women like.

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Ok... first of all, I'm in love with female beauty, and it's not for less! I mean, being in College, is like a new panorama of the world. Women everywhere...
Now, returning to prog...

Unfortunately, the vast majority of the girls today only want to have a good time. This is where 'bands' like Kelly Clarkson or Christina Aguilera or (insert a popular band name here) enter. Why is it?
They're searching something or someone to be identified with. Their problems are all the same: 'My boyfriend left me and I'm sure he's with another right now... he didn't love me at all! I'm going to commit suicide, etc, etc.'
That's what Mainstream music does... exactly.
Their lyrics and music are easily understandable for those in need. It's because of their 'problems' they feel they don't have time.
Progressive Music requieres time and patience... and searching.

Now, that's my opinion.