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AfanSpur 
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 Posted: April 17 2006 at 17:40 |
Geez, you guys are hard to please. I struggled with TMV for about 6 months and then finally got into it. FTM is really an exciting album, not for everyone due to the nature of the beast.
I saw them live, and really until you do you only know half of the picture. These guys were sensational live. All excellent players.
After hearing the band live the albums then take on a whole new sound. I wonder how many critics here have heard/seen TMV live?
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There stands Olias to outward to build a ship
Holding within all we hope to retain
The frame will be so built to challenge the universe
Clasped with the skins of the fish of the plain
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chamberry
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Posted: April 17 2006 at 17:25 |
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C'mon. It's not that bad.
IMO is a masterpiece.
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DeepPhreeze
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Posted: April 17 2006 at 16:30 |
 moodyxadi wrote:
Rashikal wrote:
frances the mute was too pompous, they dont really know what theyre doing. shouldve stuck to post punk. some of the guitarwork on ftm is a ripoff of robert fripp on larks tongues... and the latin parts sound eerily similar to old santana.
overrated band.
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Honesty and courage are virtues not really apreciated in circles where people want to sound in. this kind of behaviour is related to the human being himself, so it's not any surprise it apears here in the PA.
I'm just sick of peple electing any colection of moises more-or-less coordenated as the salvation of r'n'r and the beginnig of the ressurrection of prog rock in the big meia. This is not gonna happen, and TMV's Frances the mute being considered the last prog gem just shows how long were far from the days of the real creative music. This album is over pretentious and very bad constructed. guitar parts are annoyng, so as the latin bits. thank you Rahikal and the other solitaire voices for eposing your opinion against the "good taste" of some of our fellows. |
THANK YOU. This is exactly what I was trying to say. Porcupine Tree has been making more innovative and creative music since 1988. I really wish ATDI had stayed together. And to compare Pink Floyd and The Mars Volta is just disgracing Pink Floyd. The Floyd was a different era entirely; it was a big dark scary world, it was a time of broken post-Cold War dreams and government conspiracies. So far, TMV has yet to write their own story like Pink Floyd did with DSoTM or WYWH. I hope Cedric and Omar know what they're doing --- if they continue in the direction Frances the Mute went, they're going to be setting prog BACK.
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Asyte2c00
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Joined: January 15 2006
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Posted: April 17 2006 at 15:46 |
¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾ wrote:
I was given their new album. Haven't really listened to it cus I don't listen to CDs anymore .. just my mp3 player :P
Though I did listen to the first few tracks over Christmas. Omg .. it's sooo early Floyd :D you can definately hear the progressive-rock-ness.
Anyone else like them?
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I like the Mars Volta a lot, but to compare their new album Frances the Mute to early Pink Floyd (Meddle, More, Atom herat Mother, Obscured by Clouds, ect..) is a bit misleading. TMV is too unique to accurately categorize. I like the album thought, De-loused in Comatorium isnt bad either
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DeepPhreeze
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Posted: April 17 2006 at 14:50 |
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The Mars Volta is alright... it's got atmosphere, which is something a lot of music lacks.
But I attribute this influence to their At the Drive-In days. Whenever I hear people talk about TMV I can't help but bring up ATDI and suggest they buy a copy of Relationship of Command or In/Casino/Out. ATDI was, in my opinion, lightyears ahead of TMV for the simple fact that ATDI had energy and didn't have to hide behind sound effects and other gimmicks.
TMV's first release was mindblowing -- I liked that EP a LOT. Then there was De-Loused --- even better.
But then they started doing live tours --- they can't play live worth crap. Take the mediocre guitarist from ATDI with the bad singer, take away the caution and care they used in ATDI to sound precise, and throw them into late-60s Pink Floyd jam sessions. That's a Mars Volta concert. Nothing special really.
They need to make another De-Loused to make up for the (at times) over-exerted and self-indulgent Frances the Mute.
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~Rael~
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Joined: April 11 2006
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Posted: April 12 2006 at 18:00 |
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Okay, so you don't like them. . . why do you have to innsult the people who do?
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I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . .
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moodyxadi
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Posted: April 12 2006 at 16:38 |
Rashikal wrote:
frances the mute was too pompous, they dont really know what theyre doing. shouldve stuck to post punk. some of the guitarwork on ftm is a ripoff of robert fripp on larks tongues... and the latin parts sound eerily similar to old santana.
overrated band.
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Honesty and courage are virtues not really apreciated in circles where people want to sound in. this kind of behaviour is related to the human being himself, so it's not any surprise it apears here in the PA.
I'm just sick of peple electing any colection of moises more-or-less coordenated as the salvation of r'n'r and the beginnig of the ressurrection of prog rock in the big meia. This is not gonna happen, and TMV's Frances the mute being considered the last prog gem just shows how long were far from the days of the real creative music. This album is over pretentious and very bad constructed. guitar parts are annoyng, so as the latin bits. thank you Rahikal and the other solitaire voices for eposing your opinion against the "good taste" of some of our fellows.
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Ilnord
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Posted: April 12 2006 at 16:17 |
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I'm glad many people consider TMV as some of the very best prog music these days. Cause it happens often that if a band become more famous in the mainstream people start saying they have sold out or people start disliking their fame :). They might be just too good hehe
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Zargus
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Location: Sweden
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Posted: April 12 2006 at 16:12 |
Mars volta is my favorite modern progband togheter with Tool. 
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mithrandir
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Posted: April 12 2006 at 14:38 |
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False prog,
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Igha
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Posted: April 12 2006 at 13:14 |
NaturalScience wrote:
If you like that, you should definitely get their first release,
"De-loused in the Comatorium". The more I listen to the two
albums, the more I find the first to be much superior to the
second. I really liked what I can only describe as "structured
chaos" on De-loused, whereas on FTM there's not as much as structure,
much more free-form and ambient...but I realize that people might
prefer that approach.
Brilliant band, though. 
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I totally agree. I believe that Frances The Mute has very good moments, but too many experimental nosie filling the tracks (Example: the first minutes of Miranda) Anyway, a great great band, one of the best from this days and with a real progressive attitude.
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Anguiad
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Posted: April 12 2006 at 01:03 |
Why the long face? That is somehow right. Ultimately every freakin conventional band sounds like each other (the killers and all that crap). The only two new bands I like are supergroups: Audioslave and Velvet Revolver, but they are not "new" because these guys are veterans already. I was weeping and complaining about music not being cool anymore, taking shelter in past decades(70's and 90's mainly) until I heard these guys. Along with Muse, they revived my thrill and thirst for new and fresh music, although Muse is not that new.
Even though I do not own any of Volta's albums YET, I can easily say they have an authentic style and unique talent, specially those crazy guitars of Omar Rodriguez and High pitch voice Cedric. They mixed prog and punk and post rock, hell who cares about genres? Listening to them is enough!
So not only they are the best of new music they can easily reach the levels of the prog grands in a few years. With that talent and creativity it should be easy...
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"Tis your birth and faith that wrong you...not I."
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 12 2006 at 00:34 |
Meddler wrote:
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Matt Dickens
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Posted: April 12 2006 at 00:27 |
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Excellent band. Omar may not be John Petrucci or any other crazy shredder but hes about 10 billion times more interesting for me to listen to. TMW are one of the few bands who actually play what they FEEL like playing instead of what notes or chords or time signatures should theoretically work well in counteraction to the previous ones. They may be hard to grasp but they should not be hard to appreciate or respect. and In my honest opinion they deserve about as much respect as anyone does these days.
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Zoso
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 23:43 |
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They're amazing, and I love them. Frances the Mute is a fantastic album, but I was absolutely blown away by De-Loused. Very good music.
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~Rael~
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Joined: April 11 2006
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Posted: April 11 2006 at 23:03 |
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Well, I love De-loused in the Comatarium, and can't wait to hear Frances the Mute. I just really like everything about these guys.
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I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . .
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Space Chief
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 19:58 |
chamberry wrote:
Oh, you mean the best band of these resent years ?
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Well, second best, after Sigur Ros.
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thegenuinemoz
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Joined: March 22 2006
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 19:42 |
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They're one of only two modern prog bands I like, the other one being
Tool. Most rock bands these days try and either sound like each other,
or sound like older bands (as in the current trend for sounding retro
in the indie scene), so thank God there's some bands out there who
actually do their own thing. A lot of people seem hung up on the fact
they used to play more punky music- who cares? Also, who cares if Omar
knows music theory or not? Doesn't stop him writing and playing some
awesome music- a lot of brilliant musicians don't reallu know any
theory and write amazing music. If there are any old proggers who think
there are no decent prog bands around these days, I've highly recommend
checking The Mars Volta out.
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CryoftheCarrots
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 19:02 |
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At first I didn't know what to make of Cedric's singing but after seeing them live he has a fantastic voice.His vocal range is unbelievable.He gets very animated on stage and throws his mic stand around.Reminded me of Roger Daltry.
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The Miracle
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Posted: March 22 2006 at 18:59 |
The Wizard wrote:
¢¾Old¢¾Hen¢¾ wrote:
I was given their new album. Haven't really listened to it cus I don't listen to CDs anymore .. just my mp3 player :P
Though I did listen to the first few tracks over Christmas. Omg .. it's sooo early Floyd :D you can definately hear the progressive-rock-ness.
Anyone else like them?
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The singing turns me off, but the instrumental parts are awesome. |
 Did you hear anything else than that song I sent you? I think Cedric's voice really fits in....
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