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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2006 at 20:09
Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

Well, let me just add this; I think anyone who knows a bit about music should be able to respect a lot more music than they actually would want to listen to.
 
Wise words Clap, hope you apply them also when you talk about such bands like Kansas and even non Prog as Meatloaf and I'm 100% sure there will be no problems.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 06 2006 at 22:07
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

Well, let me just add this; I think anyone who knows a bit about music should be able to respect a lot more music than they actually would want to listen to.
 
Wise words Clap, hope you apply them also when you talk about such bands like Kansas and even non Prog as Meatloaf and I'm 100% sure there will be no problems.
 
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Anyone who knows a bit about music also knows about what they DON'T like, and it's fine to not like a band if you have heard them and know why you can't connect with them.  His point is that maybe you could show respect for some hip-hop artists without actually being obligated to listen to them regularly, instead of dismissing them out of hand.

I dont want to be choosing sides in this little catfight, but that's how I feel about that subject...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 07:41

^Boy, the political correctness in this latest thread is palpable. So let me put all of you at ease. Here's the greatest possible love for the following musical styles (even though I don't like 'em or listen to 'em, but at least some of its practitioners are probably very skilled):

Wrap
Hip Hop
Traditional Swiss Yodeling
Electronic Rumba Music played on Hammond Organ
Tibetan Folk Music
Music of the Mongolian Steppes
Classical Music performed on zither & washboard
 
"To state that a band "sucks" is one thing to dismiss a whole genre in such terms is quite obviously asinine"...I'm sure Tony R that you meant this in the best possible way (you forgot the emoticon)Wink...
 
Actually I never said that all of it sucked, just the (very limited) material that I've been exposed to which left me wondering how these acts ever got signed & released...So I'll repeat myself (again) since some folks apparently have to read something repeatedly for it to registerConfused (note use of emoticon here):
 
"I believe that I also earlier stated that I thought wrap & hip hop sucked, at least the stuff that I've heard...Conceding that I couldn't possibly have heard everything (no one has...I hope) & that there may be some wonderful acts out there, I'm comfortable with my judgement of that particular material"...Note use of phrases "at least the stuff that I've heard", "there may be some wonderful acts" & "that particular material", and nothing such as "all of wrap/hip hop sucks" or the like...Ermm
 
So if you interpret the above as condemning those entire genres then you're free to do so...In my mind, the stock of those particular musical styles doesn't go through the roof with me based on my personal experience, and doesn't make it very likely for me spending lots of time researching other examples that I might like...Ouch After all, as was stated previously: "differences in taste underpin this whole debate", so when I say that I think what I've heard so far sucks, that's particular to my possibly different musical taste vs yours...Is that too harsh a condemnation of those entire styles of music?Question
 
Hey, if my initial 20-30 exposures to Jazz had been negative I might've felt the same way about it too, but still wouldn't come out & say that all of Jazz sucks (just the stuff I've heard)...Geek
 
And finally a warning to all others, in case you plan to voice your displeasure re: any of the above listed musical styles in future threads...Make sure you pay the proper love & respect to these styles even if your personal experience to date was negative...Political correctness & love for all mankind demand it!Embarrassed...Oops, almost forgot:
 
Can't we all just get along???Heart
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 08:34
Well, Wolf. I don't see why it is that you feel the need to continuously spell it Wrap? It's only marginally less annoying than the ever-popular (c)Rap and doesn't really do anything except note that you don't like it. Imagine someone trying to discuss their lack of appreciation for Progressive Rock and calling it "Frog Rock" throughout. It doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

Now, I'm not saying that there aren't certain genres  I am disrespectful of - or at least some of the signature acts of those genres (and it's inevitably about me seeing them as pandering to a lowest common denominator, an accusation that certainly fits the bill for most mainstream Rap) - but I still don't see the point of warping their names, unless maybe it's done once for effect when trying to make a particular point.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 10:19
Originally posted by Teaflax Teaflax wrote:

Well, Wolf. I don't see why it is that you feel the need to continuously spell it Wrap? It's only marginally less annoying than the ever-popular (c)Rap and doesn't really do anything except note that you don't like it. Imagine someone trying to discuss their lack of appreciation for Progressive Rock and calling it "Frog Rock" throughout. It doesn't really add anything to the discussion.

Now, I'm not saying that there aren't certain genres  I am disrespectful of - or at least some of the signature acts of those genres (and it's inevitably about me seeing them as pandering to a lowest common denominator, an accusation that certainly fits the bill for most mainstream Rap) - but I still don't see the point of warping their names, unless maybe it's done once for effect when trying to make a particular point.
 
 
You mean it's not spelled "w-r-a-p"?Question I stand corrected!Shocked...Actually I thought it was a very good way of denoting my (current) dislike, saves a lot of time you know. Just think how much shorter this whole thread would have been...But much less fun, I admit...Big smile
 
Has Ivan run out of gas? What time is it in Peru (or in Sweden for that matter)? You know, I could possibly be turned around on this whole topic with some further convincing arguments (but I do draw the line at yodeling, I don't care how many hours per day of practice are involved)!Tongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 13:21
Originally posted by wolf0621 wolf0621 wrote:

Has Ivan run out of gas?
I've stopped responding to him, since he he reads way too many things into what I write.

Originally posted by wolf0621 wolf0621 wrote:

What time is it in Peru (or in Sweden for that matter)?
It's currently 7:20 PM here in Sweden, I would guess Peru is about 7-8 hours earlier, around mid-day.

Originally posted by wolf0621 wolf0621 wrote:

You know, I could possibly be turned around on this whole topic with some further convincing arguments (but I do draw the line at yodeling, I don't care how many hours per day of practice are involved)!Tongue
If you want to ease your way into getting comfortable with some of the sounds and tropes of the genre, you could do worse than the already recommended Endtroducing... by DJ Shadow. It doesn't contain any rapping, as I recall - or if it does, there's not much of it - and it's often been described as Prog/Hip Hop album. So, that will give you a familiarty with the general nature of the genre, without being overtly unfamiliar.

If that works for you, then try anything by Jean Grae, who by dint of being a smart woman is obviously a bit removed from that male bragging Gangsta Rap that probably is the main exposure most people get to Rap, so you don't have those overtones. Her rhythmic sophistication is pretty much self-evident to anyone who listens closely.

Now, if all that works out...well, then check the two lists posted earlier in the thread.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 07 2006 at 13:38
Once a member starts to attack the Moderator then it is time to acknowledge that the thread has run its course.
That's a (w)rap folks!!
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