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Topic: All time top 100 jazz albums Posted: July 28 2006 at 12:31 |
The British magazine Jazzwise have been very brave and compiled an all time, influential jazz albums top one hundred, in their August 2006 edition. Good to see a number of albums listed which are also listed in PA, or might be sooner or later: Bitches Brew, Heavy Weather, Inner Mounting Flame, Headhunters, Naked City, Bright Size Life, Return To Forever (the first album). MMW too. And it looks like Machine's Third is only just outside the 100.
However, there are a couple of entries with which Jazzwise have let their semantics slip, e.g. compilations of Louis Armstrong recordings made in the 20's and compilations of recordings of Hot Club De Paris made in the late 30's - i.e. recordings made well before the advent of long playing record albums. And I'm always twitchy when albums recorded only in the last few years get such inclusions, e.g. Polar Bear's last and the Bad Plus's 2003 album.
I leave you to guess what these jazz experts have nominated at postions 1, 2 and 3 - clue: straight jazz but fairly obvious selections.
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 12:48 |
I'll guess:
- Miles Davis: Birth of cool or Kind of blue
- John Coltrane: A love supreme or Giant steps
- Duke Ellington: Black, Brown and Beige
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 15:17 |
pirkka wrote:
I'll guess:
- Miles Davis: Birth of cool or Kind of blue
- John Coltrane: A love supreme or Giant steps
- Duke Ellington: Black, Brown and Beige
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Cool, 2 of the three named here, but no.3 is relative toughie. (The Duke doesn't come higher than No. 14).
And I forgot to metion Lifetime's Emergency is in the 100.
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 15:27 |
Miles Davis - Kind of Blue, Round Midnight, Cookin at the Plugged Nickel, later pop jazz recordings like Amandla because they were far superior to the Kenny Gs, Earl Klugh etc playing this music.
John Coltrane - A love supreme, Blue Train, Afro Blue suite Ascension
Roy (Eldridge) and Diz (Gillespe)
Benny Goodman at Carnegie Hall, Trios and Quartets
Anything guitarists Dhango Rheinhart, Charlie Christian and Wes Montgomery did
Duke Ellington at Newport. New Orleans Suite
Bix Beiderbecke recordings,
Al Dimeola - Land of the Midnight Sun, Kiss my Axe
Mahiishiveu Orchestra (John McGlauglin) - Inner Mounting Flame, Birds of Fire, lost trident sessions
Josh Redman - Everything he has done so far
Jimmy Smith - Live at the Chicken Shack and most everything else
Ornette Coleman - Live at the Golden Circle 1 and 2, Prime Time
Count Basie - Columbia recordings with Lester Young
Dave Bruebeck - Time Out
Sonny Rollins - Way out west, Saxophonist Collssus (latest stuff is great too)
Art Blakey - Caravan and recordings including Horace Silver
Jaco Pastoruis - Jaco
John Scofield - with the scolopho band, with Pat Methany
Weather Report - Heavy Weather
Charlie Parker - anything without strings and no bootleg live recordings.
Sidney Bechet - mostly anything
Live at Massey Hall, Parker, Gillisphe, Max Roach, Charles Mingus.
Chet Baker/Gerry Mulligan quintet
P.S. The british label Prospro has terrific word of many of these artists in the 1930's, 40's and 50's at a great price and great notes
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 15:34 |
Dick Heath wrote:
pirkka wrote:
I'll guess:
- Miles Davis: Birth of cool or Kind of blue
- John Coltrane: A love supreme or Giant steps
- Duke Ellington: Black, Brown and Beige
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Cool, 2 of the three named here, but no.3 is relative toughie. (The Duke doesn't come higher than No. 14).
And I forgot to metion Lifetime's Emergency is in the 100.
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Well how about Ornette Coleman: The Shape of Jazz To Come
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 15:44 |
Thanks for the tip, Dick, i'll look out for the "100 jazz albums that shook the world" edition, though i think "The Bad Plus" album you mention is brilliant and would feature high up on my top 100!!
also the "Lounge Lizards" !
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 16:45 |
Apologies for the errors, since I'm not copy-typist, but I've decided to give you the works:
- Miles
Davis: Kind Of Blue
- John
Coltrane: A Love Supreme
- Ornette
Coleman: The Shape Of Jazz To Come
- Bill
Evans Trio: Sunday At The Village Vanguard
- Sonny
Rollins: Saxophone Colossus
- Thelonius
Monk: Brillant Corners
- Charles
Mingus: Mingus Ah Um
- Charlie
Parker: The Complete Original Master Takes. The Savoy Recordings
- Miles
Davis: Bitches Brew
- Keith
Jarrett: The Köln Concert
- John
Coltrane Giant Steps
- Eric
Dolphy: Out To Lunch
- Louis
Armstrong: Complete Hot Fives & Sevens
- Duke
Ellington: The Blanton-Webster Band
- Mahavishnu
Orchestra: Inner Mounting Flame
- Albert
Ayler: Spiritual Unity
- Herbie
Hancock: Head Hunters
- Dave
Brubeck Quartet: Time Out
- Ornette
Coleman: Free Jazz
- Weather
Report: Heavy Weather
- Ahmad
Jamal: But Not For Me- At The Pershing
- Jelly
Roll Morton: Volume 1
- Frank
Sinatra: Songs For Swingin’ Lovers
- Wes
Montgomery: The Incredible Guitar Of Wes Montgomery
- Modern
Jazz Quartet: Fontessa
- Bud
Powell: The Genius Of Bud Powell
- Cecil
Taylor: At The Café Montmartre
- Art
Blakey: Moanin’
- Herbie
Hancock: Maiden Voyage
- Stan
Getz & JoaoGilberto; Getz/Gilberto
- Pat
Metheny: Bright Size Life
- Jimmy
Smith: A New Sound, A New Star
- Jan
Garbarek: Afric Pepperbird
- Woodie
Herman: The Thundering Herds
- Duke
Ellington: Ellington At Newport
- Ella
Fitzgerald: Sings The Cole Porter Songbook
- Charles
Mingus: The Black Saint & The Sinner Lady
- Cannonball
Adderley: Somethin’ Else
- Tony
Williams Lifetime: Emergency
- Billie
Holiday: At JATP
- Chick
Corea: Return To Forever
- Stan
Getz: Focus
- Miles
Davis: Sketches Of Spain
- George
Russell: The Jazz Workshop
- John
Coltrane: Impressions
- Andrew
Hill: Point Of Departure
- Sonny
Rollins: The Bridge
- Sun
Ra: The Heliocentric Worlds Of Sun Ra Volume 1
- Dizzy
Gillespie: Shaw ‘Nuff
- Lennie
Tristano: Tristano
- John
Zorn: Naked City
- John
McLaughlin: Extrapolation
- Pharoah
Sanders: Karma
- Lester
Young: Lester Young/Budy Rich Trio
- John
Coltrane: Ascension
- Art
Ensemble Of Chicago: A Jackson In Your House
- Horace
Silver: Song For My Father
- Clifford
Brown/Max Roach Quintet: Clifford Brown & Max Roach
- Coleman
Hawkins: Body & Soul
- Peter
Brötzmann Octet: Machine Gun
- Miles
Davis: Birth Of The Cool
- Count
Basie: The Atomic Mr Basie
- Archie
Shepp: Four For Trane
- Brad
Mehldau: Art Of The Trio Volume 3
- Gerry
Mulligan: Gerry Mulligan Quartet
- Gil
Evans: The Individualism Of Gil Evans
- John
Handy: Live At The Monterey Festival
- Esbjörn
Svensson Trio: From Gagarin’s Point Of View
- Stan
Tracey: Jazz Suite Inspired By Dylan Thomas’ Under Milk Wood
- Dollar
Brand (aka Abdullah Ibrahim): African Marketplace
- Wayne
Shorter: Speak No Evil
- Thelonius
Monk: The Genius Of Modern Music Volume 1
- Roland
Kirk: Rip Rig & Panic
- Herbie
Hancock: The New Standard
- Oscar
Peterson: Night Train
- Charles
Lloyd: Dream Weaver
- Art
Tatum: The Genius Of Art Tatum No. 1
- Betty
Carter: An Audience With Betty Carter
- Oliver
Nelson: The Blues & The Abstract Truth
- John
Surman: Tales Of The Algonquin
- Eberhard
Weber: The Colours Of Chloë
- Steve
Coleman & The Five Elements: The Tao Of Mad Phat: Fringe Zones
- Diana
Krall: Love Scenes
- Anthony
Braxton: For Alto
- Krzystof
Komeda: Polskie Nagrania Muza
- Steps
Ahead: Steps Ahead
- Django
Reinhardt: Rétrospective 1934-53
- Joe
Harriott-John Mayer Double Quintet: Indo-Jazz Suite
- Jackie
McLean: Let freedom Ring
- Charlie
Haden: Liberation Music Orchestra
- Music
Improvisation Company: Music Improvisation Company
- Sarah
Vaughan: Sarah Vaughan
- Jan
Johanssen: Jazz Pa Svenska
- Cassandra
Wilson: Blue Light ‘Til Dawn
- Wynton
Marsalis: Black Codes For The Underground
- Medeski
Martin & Wood: Combustication
- Tomasz
Stanko: Soul Of Things
- Courtney
Pine: Journey To The Urge Within
- The
Bad Plus: These Are The Vistas
- Polar Bear: Held By The Tips
Of Fingers
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 16:55 |
Also rans, I guess the next 25 (but not in any particular
order):
Bobby McFerrin: The Voice
Ganelin Trio: Catalogue: Live In East Germany
John Scofiled: Time On My Hands
Wayne Horwitz & The President: Miracle Mile
Anouar Brahem; Thimar
Gary Burtion & Carla Bley: A Genuine Tong Funeral
Alice Coltrane: Journey In Satchidananda
Billy Cobham: Spectrum
Nucleus: Elastic Rock
Greg Osby: Art Forum
Charlie Christian: New Solo Flight: The Genius Of Charlie
Christian
Erroll Garner: Concert By The Sea
Larry Young: Unity
James Carter: JC On The Set
Ray Charles & Milt Jackson: Soul Brother
Keith Jarrett: Belonging
Joshua Redman: Moodswing
Soweto Kinch: Conversations With The Unseen
Ella Fitzgerald & Louis Armstrong: Ella & Louis
Herbie Mann: Memphis Underground
Miles Davis: Miles Smiles
Soft Machine: Third
Ralph Towner: Solstice
Mose Allison: Back Country Suite
Max Roach: Freedom Now Suite
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 17:14 |
hmmm... Dick you obvioiusly know your jazz better than me... I'm passionate about jazz but nowhere near an expert.
#18 for Brubeck's Time Out... accurate or a miscarriage of justice.
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 19:06 |
micky wrote:
hmmm... Dick you obvioiusly know your jazz better than me... I'm passionate about jazz but nowhere near an expert.
#18 for Brubeck's Time Out... accurate or a miscarriage of justice.
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I think it shouldbe included, although my first introduction to Brubeck remains my favourite, the Carnegie Hall live set, but as to position?????????????????????? And personally I think Time Out is relevant to a lot of early Brit proggers - it is also the original home of Take 5.
But Diana Krall coming in, in the 80's????
Kind Of Blue just makes it ahead of A Love Supreme
to number one (Coltrane is on both!), perhaps on the basis of it being
the best selling jazz album (and there is some good reason for that wrt
its music) - apparently it is still selling 5000 units per week world
wide!
It need more consideration but on first glance the 100 has a reasonable
balance, for instance fusion is there and the Europeans are pretty well
represented, as well as the mainstream. I did wonder why Escalator Over The Hill didn't make either list.
Edited by Dick Heath - July 28 2006 at 19:06
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 19:11 |
No Al DiMeola?
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 19:15 |
Dick Heath wrote:
micky wrote:
hmmm... Dick you obvioiusly know your jazz better than me... I'm passionate about jazz but nowhere near an expert.
#18 for Brubeck's Time Out... accurate or a miscarriage of justice.
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I think it shouldbe included, although my first introduction to Brubeck remains my favourite, the Carnegie Hall live set, but as to position?????????????????????? And personally I think Time Out is relevant to a lot of early Brit proggers - it is also the original home of Take 5.
But Diana Krall coming in, in the 80's????
Kind Of Blue just makes it ahead of A Love Supreme
to number one (Coltrane is on both!), perhaps on the basis of it being
the best selling jazz album (and there is some good reason for that wrt
its music) - apparently it is still selling 5000 units per week world
wide!
It need more consideration but on first glance the 100 has a reasonable
balance, for instance fusion is there and the Europeans are pretty well
represented, as well as the mainstream. I did wonder why Escalator Over The Hill didn't make either list.
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I agree ... on a first glance with non-expert eyes I
thought the list looked pretty good. I wondered if the
'prog fan' in me was the one thinking that Time Out should
be bit higher. Then again... you run into ...which albums
would you drop down.
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 20:55 |
Dick Heath wrote:
Apologies for the errors, since I'm not copy-typist, but I've decided to give you the works:
- Miles Davis: Kind Of Blue
- John Coltrane: A Love Supreme
- Ornette Coleman: The Shape Of Jazz To Come
- Bill Evans Trio: Sunday At The Village Vanguard
- Sonny Rollins: Saxophone Colossus
- Thelonius Monk: Brillant Corners
- Charles Mingus: Mingus Ah Um
- Charlie Parker: The Complete Original Master Takes. The Savoy Recordings
- Miles Davis: Bitches Brew
- Keith Jarrett: The Köln Concert
- John Coltrane Giant Steps
- Eric Dolphy: Out To Lunch
- Louis Armstrong: Complete Hot Fives & Sevens
- Duke Ellington: The Blanton-Webster Band
- Mahavishnu Orchestra: Inner Mounting Flame
- Albert Ayler: Spiritual Unity
- Herbie Hancock: Head Hunters
- Dave Brubeck Quartet: Time Out
- Ornette Coleman: Free Jazz
- Weather Report: Heavy Weather
- Ahmad Jamal: But Not For Me- At The Pershing
- Jelly Roll Morton: Volume 1
- Frank Sinatra: Songs For Swingin’ Lovers
- Wes Montgomery: The Incredible Guitar Of Wes Montgomery
- Modern Jazz Quartet: Fontessa
- Bud Powell: The Genius Of Bud Powell
- Cecil Taylor: At The Café Montmartre
- Art Blakey: Moanin’
- Herbie Hancock: Maiden Voyage
- Stan Getz & JoaoGilberto; Getz/Gilberto
- Pat Metheny: Bright Size Life
- Jimmy Smith: A New Sound, A New Star
- Jan Garbarek: Afric Pepperbird
- Woodie Herman: The Thundering Herds
- Duke Ellington: Ellington At Newport
- Ella Fitzgerald: Sings The Cole Porter Songbook
- Charles Mingus: The Black Saint & The Sinner Lady
- Cannonball Adderley: Somethin’ Else
- Tony Williams Lifetime: Emergency
- Billie Holiday: At JATP
- Chick Corea: Return To Forever
- Stan Getz: Focus
- Miles Davis: Sketches Of Spain
- George Russell: The Jazz Workshop
- John Coltrane: Impressions
- Andrew Hill: Point Of Departure
- Sonny Rollins: The Bridge
- Sun Ra: The Heliocentric Worlds Of Sun Ra Volume 1
- Dizzy Gillespie: Shaw ‘Nuff
- Lennie Tristano: Tristano
- John Zorn: Naked City
- John McLaughlin: Extrapolation
- Pharoah Sanders: Karma
- Lester Young: Lester Young/Budy Rich Trio
- John Coltrane: Ascension
- Art Ensemble Of Chicago: A Jackson In Your House
- Horace Silver: Song For My Father
- Clifford Brown/Max Roach Quintet: Clifford Brown & Max Roach
- Coleman Hawkins: Body & Soul
- Peter Brötzmann Octet: Machine Gun
- Miles Davis: Birth Of The Cool
- Count Basie: The Atomic Mr Basie
- Archie Shepp: Four For Trane
- Brad Mehldau: Art Of The Trio Volume 3
- Gerry Mulligan: Gerry Mulligan Quartet
- Gil Evans: The Individualism Of Gil Evans
- John Handy: Live At The Monterey Festival
- Esbjörn Svensson Trio: From Gagarin’s Point Of View
- Stan Tracey: Jazz Suite Inspired By Dylan Thomas’ Under Milk Wood
- Dollar Brand (aka Abdullah Ibrahim): African Marketplace
- Wayne Shorter: Speak No Evil
- Thelonius Monk: The Genius Of Modern Music Volume 1
- Roland Kirk: Rip Rig & Panic
- Herbie Hancock: The New Standard
- Oscar Peterson: Night Train
- Charles Lloyd: Dream Weaver
- Art Tatum: The Genius Of Art Tatum No. 1
- Betty Carter: An Audience With Betty Carter
- Oliver Nelson: The Blues & The Abstract Truth
- John Surman: Tales Of The Algonquin
- Eberhard Weber: The Colours Of Chloë
- Steve Coleman & The Five Elements: The Tao Of Mad Phat: Fringe Zones
- Diana Krall: Love Scenes
- Anthony Braxton: For Alto
- Krzystof Komeda: Polskie Nagrania Muza
- Steps Ahead: Steps Ahead
- Django Reinhardt: Rétrospective 1934-53
- Joe Harriott-John Mayer Double Quintet: Indo-Jazz Suite
- Jackie McLean: Let freedom Ring
- Charlie Haden: Liberation Music Orchestra
- Music Improvisation Company: Music Improvisation Company
- Sarah Vaughan: Sarah Vaughan
- Jan Johanssen: Jazz Pa Svenska
- Cassandra Wilson: Blue Light ‘Til Dawn
- Wynton Marsalis: Black Codes For The Underground
- Medeski Martin & Wood: Combustication
- Tomasz Stanko: Soul Of Things
- Courtney Pine: Journey To The Urge Within
- The Bad Plus: These Are The Vistas
- Polar Bear: Held By The Tips Of Fingers
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 22:51 |
I own 30 of the albums listed, including numbers 1-12 inclusive. My own personal top 100 would include more electric Miles, Mingus, Monk, Coltrane, Dolphy, Montgomery, Mahavishnu, Return To Forever, Weather Report, and Bill Frisell, as well as albums like Shakti's A Handful Of Beauty and Joe Pass's Virtuoso. But that's just me.
The single absolutely unacceptable omission, however, is the lack of inclusion of anything by guitarist Lenny Breau. For shame.
For any newcomers to jazz though, I'd highly recommend any of the top 12, and for prog fans especially, Eric Dolphy's Out To Lunch.
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Posted: July 28 2006 at 22:53 |
arnold stirrup wrote:
I own 30 of the albums listed, including numbers
1-12 inclusive. My own personal top 100 would include more electric
Miles, Mingus, Monk, Coltrane, Dolphy, Montgomery, Mahavishnu, Return
To Forever, Weather Report, and Bill Frisell, as well as albums like
Shakti's A Handful Of Beauty and Joe Pass's Virtuoso. But that's
just me.
The single absolutely unacceptable omission, however, is the
lack of inclusion of anything by guitarist Lenny Breau. For shame.
For any newcomers to jazz though, I'd highly recommend any of the
top 12, and for prog fans especially, Eric Dolphy's Out To Lunch. |
must admit to not having that Dolphy album.... care to serve up a mini
review? Would be appreciated hahah. Thanks for the
recommend.
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micky wrote:
must admit to not having that Dolphy album.... care to serve up a mini review? Would be appreciated hahah. Thanks for the recommend.
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OK, I'll give it a shot:
Avant-garde jazz with rhythmic complexity, odd time signatures, and eerily dissonant harmonies sometimes bordering on atonality.
Yet also strangely beautiful, melodic, and playful, with beautiful timbres created by all 5 musicians, but especially vibist Bobby Hutcherson, drummer Tony Williams, and Dolphy himself on bass clarinet and flute. Amazing interplay and freedom among the musicians as well.
Demands repeated listening, and stands the test of time with amazing revelations and rewards to those willing to put forth the effort.
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 08:03 |
arnold stirrup wrote:
micky wrote:
must admit to not having
that Dolphy album.... care to serve up a mini review? Would be
appreciated hahah. Thanks for the recommend.
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OK, I'll give it a shot:
Avant-garde jazz with rhythmic complexity, odd time signatures,
and eerily dissonant harmonies sometimes bordering on atonality.
Yet also strangely beautiful, melodic, and playful, with beautiful
timbres created by all 5 musicians, but especially vibist Bobby
Hutcherson, drummer Tony Williams, and Dolphy himself on bass clarinet
and flute. Amazing interplay and freedom among the musicians as well.
Demands repeated listening, and stands the test of time with
amazing revelations and rewards to those willing to put forth the
effort. |
I thought this thread might get moved....
Arnold... thanks a ton..... Tony Williams you say?.... say no more....
I'll keep my eyes out for this, and put it in my ....notebook hahah...
of must have albums.
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 12:21 |
I knew it would be just a short matter of time before this excellent thread was relegated to the obscure "everything else" bin.
Anyway, another disc that would be impossible to leave off is Egberto Gismonti's Sanfona, a double effort that features one disc of a quartet performance (guitar/piano, bass, reeds, percussion), and another of EG solo. Kind of like a Brazilian classical/folk rooted music meets jazz thing. For those not familiar with the Brazilian composer Gismonti, he is equally astonishing on both acoustic guitar and piano.
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Posted: July 29 2006 at 21:47 |
Heavy Weather at no. 20? Probably 'cause of its popularity but there are MUCH better Weather Report records....their first five for example. I love Jaco just as much as the next guy, but give the early band its due!
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Posted: July 30 2006 at 09:17 |
Intruder wrote:
Heavy Weather at no. 20? Probably 'cause of its popularity but there are MUCH better Weather Report records....their first five for example. I love Jaco just as much as the next guy, but give the early band its due! |
And yet another essential top 100 choice:
Sonny Sharrock - Ask The Ages
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